Why do smart people believe stupid things?

Everyone believes or has to believe something or another. Otherwise we'd be comatose or braindead. So if people don't believe the truth, then they have to believe a lie. Perhaps it isn't so much that Jenner is a man who pretends to be a woman, as it is that the truth of it points to the dismantling of the entire homosexual movement and its attendant tentacles such as transgenderism, homosexual marriage, abortion, and promiscuity in general. It is directional, and we are now in descent or decay. Ironically, their smart ones call it progress. But that's a lie too because they can't face the truth.

I suppose they just love evil and themselves more than God or their fellow man. Otherwise they wouldn't be advancing the matter in such deaf rapidity, expecting us to simply go along. If we speak up, they call us names. They have no regard for the virtue of a polite society as if we should be honored to be their doormat. They act as God. But they are perdition.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God......"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2)

 

Oh I didn't take it that way at all. Sometimes I forget that leftists put zero effort into understanding what they're talking about so I understand why you're spoon feeding them.

 

It's not even leftists sometimes it's just people they just don't spend a lot of time thinking about this sort of thing I wasted a lot of time thinking about it

 

Hans Christian Andersen wasn't an academic by any stretch of the imagination (though he could certainly be called "smart") yet he did come up with it.

Sure, but you don't get an A by simply writing "Morbid obesity is heathy" in the final exam. Those courses take a much wider view of all the medical, psychological and social aspects around body fat (and that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with everything they do say).

"Morbid obesity isn't heathy" and "You can't change you biological sex" are absolutely absolutes. They're not necessarily incorrect either, they're just not the be-all and end-all of those topics.

That isn't what I'm doing. I'm not claiming people who say these things aren't smart, I'm claiming that people don't say those things, at least not as definitively and unconditionally as you suggest.

I never said otherwise. They're obviously related but they're also obviously distinct. The simple fact is that presenting a different gender identity isn't changing biological sex and nobody says it is.

 

I'm not interested in your opinions about every city being healthy or gender identity being real.

I use those as examples of fashionable irrational beliefs.

You are talking yourself into these fashionable irrational beliefs because they're fashionable.

Evaluate these things you believe in question why you believe them.

 

Great psychobabble created by helpless widdle people that are professional victims. I'm glad I saw humanity in a different time when we were obsessed with getting into space, creating marvels like the internet, advancing from analog communications to digital communications, perfecting human transplants, and such. That's all been replaced with transexual BS, men getting pregnant theory, analyzing why whiners are victims and achievers are oppressors and more.

I pity today's youth.

 

Right back at you. I'm explain why they things that you believe are, if not wrong at least incomplete. You're just dismissing those explanations out of hand.

 

I evaluate my beliefs often.

Very poorly perhaps.

What you doing is your combating objective fact with fashionable beliefs

no I'm dismissing the univariant fallacy and also strawman fallacies.

This is what I meant by very poorly.

 

I'm not challenging the facts, I'm just saying there are more relevant facts that the ones you focus on. Also, I'm not presenting any "fashionable" beliefs myself, we're talking about what other people actually believe, as opposed to what you imagine they believe. I'm not saying any of their beliefs are right or wrong (or anywhere in between).

If anything, you're the one employing univariant and strawman fallacies by defining complex and varied beliefs on the basis of singular simplistic statements. Even if I was guilty though, that still doesn't justify dismissing my opinions out of hand, you need to explain why you don't think they're valid.

 

no you're trying to justify fashionable irrational beliefs.

I'll just continue going by what they say and not worry about what you imagine they believe.

I've heard them speak it with their own mouths you arguing that they don't do that or that they're lying is absurd.

you're not saying anything of value at all.

again when someone says with their mouth what they believe I'm going to trust them and not you. You're trying to fabricate some imaginary nuance. I have no idea why I don't know if you have a particular person in mind that you're trying to defend.

your opinion that people are lying about what they believe when they stayed their beliefs with their own ****ing mouth is absolute garbage. They know what they believe better than you. They are better at staying what they believe then you are.

people who believe these things are able to speak it themselves they don't need you running interference for them trying to clean up their stupidity. They said it they know their beliefs I heard them say it. The only conclusion I can come up with that you're trying to say is that they're lying about it what would they do that?

You moaned about me simplifying anything what did I simplify? Specifically what did I simplify explain whose beliefs it was that I was talking about and how I simplified what they believe if you can't do that I accept your apology.

 

So you say, yet you've not quoted anyone and I don't think the general examples referred to (like Caitlyn Jenner or "Fat Studies" courses) actually say what you are claiming, certainly not as definitively or unconditionally. If you're going to challenge people on what they say, a good start would be identifying what they actually say.

Your initial examples of people saying "morbidly obese person can be healthy" or "a boy you can become a girl just by saying he's a girl" are simplifying what many people say on those topics, especially the "smart academics" you appear to focus on.

I can't be more specific on who you were talking about because you weren't. If you don't want people to assume the people you're referring to, it is on you to clarify.

 

Simple.

Belief involves more than just rational logic, it also involves emotion and emotional beliefs don't require logic and evidence to exist. A great example are those who believe in the 2020 stolen election fantasy. Those are all emotional responses, not logical ones.

 

Nothing rational . . . except for centuries of global history of gender fluidity across many civilizations, stacks of psychological research and case studies, and neural evidence that trans peoples' brains more closely resemble the brains of the gender they identify with. There's a reason one side talks evidence and the only thing the other side has are fake news (like the lies about the numbers "detransitioning") "Nyu-uh, you are stupid!"

 

I guess it begins by abandoning principles or being ashamed of the truth. In short they want to fit in or be popular and dashing or something. So they take up the falsehood as a cause. Being intellectually endowed, whether by nature or acquired, they then use their prowess to obscure the truth and advance the lie. Maybe eventually they believe themselves or have too much invested in the hoax to turn back. Hard to say.

 

Certainly, it's biologically impossible for a man to become a woman; DNA will always reveal a difference. However, there are undoubtedly men who exhibit behavior traditionally associated with women, making it challenging to determine their biological sex.

So, what sets apart a transgender man from an infertile woman? Transgender men have less headaches? I once read about a transgender man who worked as a female prostitute (having undergone genital surgery), and according to him, no one could discern his biological sex.

In my opinion, a man cannot physically become a woman, but functionally, he may align with the characteristics typically associated with women, resembling an 'infertile' woman. And who knows what possibilities the future holds?

Regarding mental disorders such as 'drapetomania’ - modern medicine has advanced to the point where it can diagnose a disorder in almost any individual. Homosexuality was once labeled as a disease, dissent in the Soviet Union was considered a form of philosophical intoxication, excessive sexual activity was classified as sex addiction, inadequate sexual activity diagnosed as impotency and even using too many obscene words could be associated with Tourette syndrome.

To quote Archimedes: 'Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.' Today, it seems medicine might say: 'Give me a person, and I will find the ailment from which they suffer.'"

 

I'm not going to quote anybody. This thread isn't about any particular person's beliefs it's about why smart people sometimes believe stupid things.

If you're going to challenge me on what I say you should challenge me on when I actually said about your straw man fallacy.

you are attempting to rationalize irrational beliefs. You can't. Those two examples I gave are factually false.

I know I kept it pig on purpose because I don't want to talk about this if you want to talk about you I don't want to see you rationalize irrational beliefs.

you can assume whatever the hell you want remember what assumptions do. That's your problem. If you want to discuss specific people and the things they say start your own damn thread and talk about it there. This is a general threat about why smart people sometimes believe stupid things it's not about a particular person.

 

Yeah a lot of the times people come up with mental illnesses that don't pass the sniff test due to behaviors and thoughts that they don't like.

This is cognitive bias and I think it's why smart people sometimes believe stupid things

 

Gender is a social construct. Is the rigid concept that men must perform a certain gender and women must perform by certain gender is backward.

The idea that you need to transition know that you're some sort of trance because you don't fit this backward concept of gender is vile.

Gender is a scam to try and hide that people are trying to change their sex. It's an attempt to try and legitimize or rationalize an irrational belief.

People were bound by gender roles that's 1950s segregation are thinking and I don't know why people are going backwards.

 

I don't think it's driven by shame. I think it's driven by the need to be sophisticated. The truth is boring and typically available to the most common of the common Man. They need something sophisticated to separate themselves from the common Man.

I think you and I are very very close to agreement here. I think the special knowledge that lie they make up and pretend that is real is the thing that used to separate themselves because we're in the information age knowledge is available to everyone. So the common man can know about particle accelerators or more advanced physics just because they're bored one night and read about it.

This makes standard knowledge run of the mill not sophisticated. So they have to invent these fashionable irrational beliefs.

Good morning more I look into it this but more and more I'm amazed at the ability of the author that wrote The emperor's New clothes to see.

Well a lot of this stuff becomes like ideology look at people in this thread talking about it with me they feel like I'm attacking their beliefs I'm not I'm just saying what everyone knows.

 

No one says you "need" to transition, and with enough challenges to the social constructs . . . we are basically talking about social transitioning anyway. And "gender is a social construct" is what trans people and their allies have been saying for decades. And what do we hear in response? The same "Nyu-uh" argument presented in your OP.

 

in order to transition you have to have it a rigid general from which to transition from in a rigid general for which to transition to we don't have that.

This is backward **** that belongs in the 1950s.

This idea that we have to return to 1950s rigid generals is hateful and bigoted and without that there's no social transition.

I need to hear to postmodern philosophy when it comes to gender roles it's backward it belongs in the past and it has no place in the modern society. So the concept of gender in this regard is a relic of the past to me.

then how the **** can they be trans. Transitioning from one social construct to the other is extraordinarily simple you don't need to make it part of your identity and you don't need to visit the doctor for it either.

It's because it's self-refuting. If you're switching between two arbitrate social constructs that really don't have any meaning in modern society why in the **** would you identify as trans. That's acknowledging that it's more than just a social construct I go further and say it's a construct of the past.

No this isn't about gender it's about sex it's a lie to say that it's about gender. It's to cover up the irrational belief that sex is a social construct. All this blathering about gender is to gaslight. The concept of gender as a specific role you must perform as a man or a woman is a social construct of the past.

Dragging it back out and bring us back into the 1950s back into your beloved segregation to twist this new fashionable irrational belief you have is why it's a problem.

 

Biology is more complex than that. There are genes and many organs involved and they do not always match up in just 2 combinations.

What you call truth may be truth for you, but it is not necessarily truth for others.

Also, Jenner can't possibly "dismantle the entire homosexual movement". First, it isn't a movement. Second, nobody is going to ask Jenner.

The only "movement" involved is one of moving toward acceptance and equal treatment. And, that is certainly not a threat.

 

Here is the problem when you try to use the Bible to prove "truth", you have to prove why the Bible should be trusted, but do us all a favor and don't get caught in the circular reasoning of we should trust the Bible because it is from God, but you know God exists because He is in the Bible.

 

I agree with that. I doubt Jenner changed, other than outward appearances. And, if Jenner is happy with who she is, it's ridiculous for me to have an opinion.

But, the general population may not be so strictly and exclusively male or female.

Let's remember that people don't always have either of the two main chromosome patterns - XY or YY.

Humans go through gestation, which is not a fixed process.

And, let's remember that there are humans who have opposite sex orientation, same sex orientation, both sex orientation, or no sexual orientation.

Giving people a hard time about their orientation is the same disgusting juvenile ignorance and superficiality we see in Trump and his comments about women, or racists fixated on skin color, etc., etc.

 

this is the unit variant fallacy just because there is no one thing that differentiates the sexes doesn't mean that there's a spectrum. Just like there's no one thing that differentiates leopards from gorillas but there's not a leopard gorilla spectrum.