Long Covid: even faker than you thought

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Mounting evidence shows autoimmune responses play a significant role in long Covid (nbcnews.com)
Immune and hormonal features of Long COVID | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
High risk of autoimmune diseases after COVID-19 | Nature Reviews Rheumatology

 

You're more likely to get covid.

It's less likely to "occur" if they're vaccinated, especially in the first couple of months after vaccination.

You're less likely to spread covid if you're less likely to get it.

Skilled nursing facility patients can't do much to protectnthemselves.

It does in skilled nursing and hospital wards.

 

Skilled nursing facilities can absolutely protect patients. And people who are at high risk can absolutely do a lot to protect themselves if they have the knowledge that they are at high risk and they have the knowledge of how to protect themselves. The preceding should be the highest priorities of public health officials. The public should not rely on "less likely to occur" and more on absolute protection of those at high risk. Skilled health care workers who treated high risk patients who contracted the covid virus and were subsequently fired for refusing to be vaccinated know this but were fired anyway. That is reprehensible and makes no scientific sense.

 

"Absolutely? How?

Sure. I'm not at high risk, although I used a P100 when masks were mandated. Frankly, I find a comfortable respirator less annoying than a surgical mask.

I have difficulty with your unwillingness to consider probability. If enough people were taking the covid vaccines and we have them good enough to get the R<1, we might be able to greatly reduce the impact of covid. Are we there now? Doesn't seem so, particularly with younger people seemingly prepared to endure unprotected infection rather than take a vaccination.

The vaccines protect against infection for a few months. It's just numbers. You're denying what has been proven. What is your rationale for increasing the risk to patients?

You haven't explained how someone is entitled to a job.

 

I don't object to some jobs having fitness requirements. I was a beach lifeguard. Police, emergency services, soldiers.

Skilled nursing patients have little individual ability to mitigate risk.

You're not helping your position with this sort of argument.

 

That's the issue with this "vaccine".
If you actually get Covid, it will be worse, of course. But that's only for 8 to 12 days.
With the vaccine, it will be pumping low level immune-triggering proteins into you for 7 months.

Low level autoimmune inflammation is insidious. Usually has no obvious definitive symptoms but does all sorts of bad stuff, and can make the person feel unwell, tired, more trouble thinking, lead to greatly increased risk of other bad things happening.

If you knew for sure you were probably going to get Covid within the next 6 months, it would probably be less risky to get the vaccine. But that's the thing, statistically the majority of people are not going to contract Covid within several months of getting the vaccine. So the question is, is the risk and harm worth the possible preventative reduction in risk? (Never mind that the vaccine might weaken your immune system to other things, even possibly including alternative variants of Covid that the vaccine was not designed for)

And it's a lot easier to blame bad things happening on Covid than it is to blame it on the vaccine. If you develop clotting or heart damage within the same 2 weeks of having Covid, it will be assumed it was caused by Covid. But if you develop clotting and heart damage 4 or 5 months later, it's not as clear what precisely the cause was.
And another issue is that Covid is sudden onset, so usually any problems caused are severe and immediately noticeable, whereas the vaccine could cause more moderate long-term heart damage which might not become apparent until a year or even two years later. Once begun, heart damage has a way of snowballing downhill over time.

 

Alredy discussed all this.

 

COVID deaths are undercounted a lot. Patients will "recover" and go home, and die 6 months later, never really getting over COVID.

The autoimmune response, of course, is a result of COVID, not the vaccine. But that's just the actual science.

We can't stop antivaxxers from offing themselves. It's out of our hands now. All of their friends are jumping off a cliff, so they're jumping too.

 

I don't think they are undercounted. Sure, what you describe happens, but it's much more common for that to happen with the vaccine.

(for the effect, if there is one, to be delayed)

 

The science doesn't really have a settled clear answer on this.
It's believed the main part of the immune response is to the spike protein. That is produced by both Covid, and the vaccine.

(Of course some might argue it's better to have small lower levels over time than a sudden very high level within a short period of time, but that is arguable, and I'd guess there are probably a few trade-offs)

In case you did not know, the vaccine "preps" the immune system to be ready for the vaccine. But these are not ordinary vaccines (with the exception of Moderna), they continue to pump out spike protein antigens to keep the immune system in an alert response. So this probably goes beyond just the immune system having a memory. They are maintaining a continual autoimmune response (or we could say immune response, which is the same thing in this situation). That's part of what makes the vaccine effective.

(The Moderna isn't a great option either, since it was found to have a higher risk of sudden clotting and have a lower continued effectiveness than Pfizer and Novavax )

 

Not what we are talking about. We are talking about risk of transmitting infectious disease (Covid).

Really? Explain. What’s a skilled nursing patient?

I’m not the one wanting to mandate stuff. The amount of sleep one gets is highly associated with risk of infection which drives transmission. Why mandate vaccination that limits transmission to some degree, but not amount of sleep? You and others are fine with violating bodily autonomy in one case but not the other. It’s not logical.

 

Psychiatry is nothing more than statistics and subjective interpretation of subjective information gleaned from subjects who may or may not be telling the truth. Don't put the same faith in it that you can put in physical sciences or even medicine that can point to physical causes. That's not to say that psychiatry is pseudo-science, it's soft science. Like with ADHD diagnoses. There's no test for ADHD, no way to scan your body for it, no way to prove it exists in you. It's all diagnosed through words and descriptions and "tests" that were designed on the same. And if the medicine they give you makes the patient stop complaining, BAM, ADHD.

Hereagain, not pseudo-science, just soft science with a lot of subjective opinion and interpretation involved.

 

Where's your evidence for this claim?

 

Me too. It seems to be simply a term of propaganda that furthers the Scamdemic.

 

1+m Americans have died from the "Scamdemic" and I see how much you care.

 

whenever you have a severe multi month's long immune response, it could cause some damage to the body

 

Uhuh, well thanks for joining the "debate" with your opinion on the matter.

"Scandemic"? Really! I mean in the strongest possible terms what the hell!? Are you still clinging to THE worst batshit claim possible, surrounding the pandemic, that it was a scam? That is ludicrous. The virus caused 7 million deaths, but now all the sick people from the after effects are all to be dismissed as propaganda, even though there are countless research papers on the matter.

 

see people like Trump declare a national emergency, declare war on the virus, release guidelines telling the country to shut down

Trump got Covid, went to the hospital, was so scared he took a cocktail of experimental drugs, then got the covid shot on top of it

 

And was fine without acting like a lunatic for 1/2 a decade.

 

yep, that can natural for him

 

Solid data suggests as many as 17 million have died from the clot shots. I knew 15+ of them.

 

Bullshit. It's called a vaccine. Labelling it a "clot shot" is misinformation. People who understand the data are perfectly capable of analyzing it properly. Conspiracy theorists, not so much!

Hearsay and I certainly do not believe it. Here's my hearsay, I know nobody who has died from the vaccine.

 

Where is your data for your claim?

 

I think it was Jeffrey Sachs being interviewed by Tucker last month.

 

As in the source for it.

You mean this guy?

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-sachs-anti-vaccine-fatal-flaw-vaxxers-california-2015-6