Why do they fall in line like lambs?

I have proven MY point, which is that his list of accomplishments is unrivaled in the history of mankind. For someone to pretend like he is a perennial loser or however he stated it, is about as divorced from reality as is possible. His marketing genius is beyond reproach.

Whether one loves him or hates him, this reality is not up for debate. Underestimate him at your own peril.

 

Read my post again: I said it was one of the most biased STORIES ever told. "Bias" exists when you leave out elements that don't conform to a pre-established dogma. Even if the elements that ARE included were true (I don't know if they are or not)

 

Read MY post again, because it directly addressed YOURS.

"None of the accomplishments I pointed to was subjective even slightly. They are all objectively and incontrovertibly true and verifiable."

Objective statements of undeniable fact are not dependent upon bias in any manner, shape, or form.

 

The system is out to get Trump and anyone associated with him.

 

What book have you been reading. Trumps Bible. His achievements have mainly been at the expence of other people. He and his father had to tone down there racism by allowing their property manager to rent to coloured people to avoid a conviction. His many (11 known) business failures have been mainly at the expence of people investing in them and then leaving investors, or his father, to pick up the pieces when they failed. His fsther bailed him out several times. His reputation was not good so his father often stood as guarantor. His reputation with women is ............ His laughable attempts to be friends with Putin, Kim Jon and others have backfired. That's remarkable enough for one mans life - but not a POTUS. He simply has the gift of fooling people into believing in him. Like most dictators.

 

Why do they fall in line like lambs?

Because they are sociopaths just like Trump is

 

Hmmm. The accomplishments that I listed are...

-Went from being the son of a nondescript real estate developer from Queens, grew that business to new heights and parlayed that to becoming a household name since the 80s, turned that into a decade long hit television show, then when in his 70s and being a complete political neophyte, brashly proclaimed he was going to run for President, and to everyone's surprise he won, and now after losing a close election 4 years prior he is once again the nominee for President.

There is nothing there to argue and it does not matter whether one loves or hates him. They are all incontrovertibly true and easily verifiable. To say that the person with the above listed accomplishments is the result of being a marketing genius beyond reproach is an understatement.

If you think what I said is not true in any way, what book have YOU been reading? It likely belongs in the fiction section.

 

The Apostles didn't try to overthrow the Constitution and install Jesus as an unelected dictator. That was Trump. But the fake victim narrative is at least entertaining. It is quite possible that no one in US history has been more deserving of disbarment. I can't wait for it to be official. Good riddance to bad rubbish, and I foresee a strong likelihood of prison time in the future.

 

Setting aside for the moment that your post was 99.9% pure bull ****, even if it were true, it would be the equivalent of saying, "Well, sure, John Wayne Gacy raped and killed a lot of kids, but how come you guys don't talk about how good he was at making balloon animals and juggling at birthday parties?"

 

any guesses what the political affiliation of this judge is?

 

99%? How so?

So you think that a political outsider in his 70's coming from nowhere to become President of the United States is analogous to Gacy making balloon animals? In other words, winning the presidency is as irrelevant to Trumps life story as balloon animals are to Gacy?

That is silly. You may not like what I have said, but it is the incontrovertible truth regardless of your feelings.

Sorry. Love him or hate him, his accomplishments I have listed are astounding.

The truth hurts sometimes, but reality is not altered because of that hurt.

 

Have you read Art of the Deal? Are you familiar with all his failed brands? Marketing and genius don't belong together when referring to Trump.

Although Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, hotels and casino businesses of his have declared bankruptcy[56] six times between 1991 and 2009 due to its inability to meet required payments and to re-negotiate debt with banks, owners of stock and bonds and various small businesses (unsecured creditors).[57][58] Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while negotiations proceeded. Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, "I do play with the bankruptcy laws—they're very good for me."[59][60]

The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009).[56][61][62]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busin...s were the,Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009).

 

Do you see how advantageous it is for Trump that you believe the justice system is corrupted? That the rule of law is just partisan hackery? Do you see how he uses that narrative to de-legitimize efforts to hold him accountable for his crimes? IOW, do you see how you are being used?

 

do you understand that I probably know more about the justice system than you do-far more and I realize that this judge is a leftist operative?

 

You started by acting like he's a self-made billionaire. That's complete BS. All he would have had to do to become a billionaire would have been to invest his inheritance in a simple index, like the S&P 500. That's it. No other action required. And, last Forbes checked, he would have become wealthier doing just that than he has through his various "slap my name on everything" schemes, most of which have failed, been uncovered as fraudulent, or both.

Setting aside for the moment that he used paid actors to launch his campaign, I will give you that he won. But it's hardly due to any strategic genius. He screamed a lot, stuck to basically no message beyond "own the libs" and made big promises that no one with two brain cells to rub together bought. It played well for the increasingly rabid, unhinged GOP while the rest of the candidates made the mistake of trying to be sane.

I will grant you that becoming president is pretty astounding, just as when Obama and Biden did it. Though it would have been a far greater accomplishment if he had actually managed to ever get the majority of the vote. The billionaire stuff? No. I'd literally have to undergo a lobotomy to pretend there's anything remarkable about his wealth or his supposed business savvy. And, given his legal woes, those billions are not likely to last. AND that's ignoring his debts. We don't even know if he's in the black, and I very much doubt he is. The self-described "king of debt" is pretty damn good at hiding his debts. Keep in mind that, for most of the tax returns we've seen, I've personally netted more money than he has. So has the vast majority of the country.

The kindest thing I can say about the "man" is that he's a parasite who has always taken more than he's actually, legitimately produced and always will. There was a time when the right had a dislike for welfare queens. Now they worship one.

 

And people who know far more than you do say you are full of **** when you say that. You are going to have to do a little bit better if you want to sell this pathetically vapid victim narrative. Some of us have actual standards.

 

So, you acknowledge that you understand that these legal attacks are designed to negatively impact the leading opposition candidate. I mean, you admit to it. And yet, you still want us to be worried that somehow folks aren't willing to dive deep into the authoritarian pool with you. The justice system is obviously two tiered. We have plenty of receipts. Tell us why, for example, the lawyers who brought suit in GA on behalf of Stacey Abrams weren't charged under RICO for submitting essentially the same challenges to her election that Trump did. In your mind, is the only prejudicial thing required to be a republican, so Stacey waddles freely around the cabin?

I can't imagine why democrats want to so thoroughly discredit the US judicial system with their antics. Likely, it's because as authoritarians, they see courts as show functions to be trotted out for their amusement watching their opposition off to the gulags with. We see how it works in China. And this is you clapping for its application by democrats in the US.

When you suggest someone be held accountable, why do you never apply the same process to your own in the democratic party? It sure seems as if you believe that democrats are untouchable. Like the party elite in China. Why is that?

 

Democrats engaging in law fare. Nothing more.

 

I am familiar with his failures yes. It is my understanding that he has had over 500 companies, and 5 or so have declared bankruptcy in a world where something like 70% of business fail within their first 5 years.

If my claim was that he has never had a failure, then you would have a GREAT point. Since I made no such declaration, your point is little more than a strawman. A person is not measured by how many time they get knocked down, rather they are measured by how they get up.

Becoming President of the United States is undeniably quite an example of getting up! You can dwell on Trump University of the Atlantic City failure all you like. These do nothing to take away from his unparalleled list of accomplishments.

 

(tagging @FAW here as well, since it is relevant to our previous discussion) There's also his deposition testimony for his failed/fraud Trump "University." When promoting the university, he claimed to have personally created the curriculum, that the curriculum would include special new real estate secrets, and that he was hand-picking the instructors. He later testified under oath that he had lied about all of those promises. The especially telling broken promise was the one about real estate secrets. When pressed on that, Trump admitted, in his own words, that EVERYTHING he knew about real estate was already in his cheap books, so there was no reason to spend tens of thousands of dollars to learn anything new.

Trump's only business "strategy" for decades has been, "Put Trump name on it (preferably in gold letters) and call it the best." That's it. He has no actual business acumen. Or, if he does, he's hiding it very, very well.

 

Did I?

Thats strange, I thought that I said he was the son of a nondescript real estate developer from Queens and that he grew that business and ultimately parlayed that into becoming a household name in the 80s.

 

The stat about 70% of businesses failing is incredibly misleading. It counts businesses that have been sold off . . . which is often the goal in the first place. I have two businesses I'm running, and one of those I plan on selling off, ideally within a year. That will count as a "failure" in the aforementioned stat, even though it will likely make me far more money than my usual work does.

I have a different challenge for you: can you name a single business entity that Trump owns that hasn't both been successful and hasn't been found fraudulent in a court of law? I'm not saying you can't find one, maybe even two, but this covers the vast majority of everything he's touched. You have to admit, it takes a special kind of talent to bankrupt a ****ing casino.

 

Oh yes, an unknown taking his fathers business, becoming a household name based on that busienss since the 80s, turning that into a decade long hit TV show, and political neophyte in his 70s running for President and winning.

What a LOSER! (sarcasm)

 

Yes, yes, we all know the "Trump is above the law" argument. It's bull ****. He isn't a monarch, as much as his supporters are eager to change that.

 

Then don't use 70%

Divide that number by 10 to make it 7% to avoid ANY debate, and then apply that to over 500 businesses.


I can do this all day. The facts are overwhelmingly on my side in this discussion. His accomplishments are amazing. There is nothing to legitimately debate no matter how hard you try.