Jamie Raskin on the Second Amendment

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  1. Turtledude

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    Raskin despises white Christian Conservative middle class males. His anti gun schemes are designed to attack a group that he sees as an obstacle to his socialist wet dreams. It has nothing to do with crime control
     
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    Many on the left don’t get that infact, the 2A also protects the ability of the people to put down any insurrection or threat to the Republic.
     
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    Of course- the American Revolution was technically an "insurrection". A true insurrection has unscrupulous motives to unseat scrupulous power. When a government becomes a predator over its own population, that reverses, and the insurrection becomes a rightful revolt to remove evil, and benefit the nation. Our constitution provides the means of recourse to change in government, including change of the Constitution. So long as those means are available and honored, there is no justification for revolt or insurrection. The oath of office that millions have taken, including politicians and soldiers and myself- is to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It is the government that determines, by it's behavior, if a revolt is necessary and justified. So long as it honors the Constitution, it is not.

    The Second Amendment refers to the need for an armed citizenry, in part because of the critical need to be able to form a militia.
    A militia is citizens forming a military force to help maintain order or defeat an enemy when the normal resources are overpowered.

    History shows us an example. When the Civil War broke out, President Lincoln realized that the standing army of the Union was outnumbered more than three to one by the Confederate army. He knew there was neither time nor money to conscript, train, and equip enough men to counter that shortfall. So Lincoln called for citizens to form militias, asking for 75,000 volunteers to come to the defense of the nation. More than that came- and they came with their own arms, most experienced hunters. They made their own uniforms, elected their own officers from their ranks, and trained themselves into orderly troops- and in a few weeks, the size of the Union's ready armies quadrupled. If it were not for those militias, and not for the second amendment that ensured it would be possible, the United States would not have won that war.

    That's history demonstrating the purpose and the validity of the Second Amendment, on a scale far beyond any so-called expert of today telling us what the Second Amendment really means.
    The fact is- that every gun control law is a violation of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution, and most have been tolerated with good intent, yet the tolerance results in abuse by the anti-gun people with illegitimate intent. These aren't proper "interpretations' of the Constitution- they are distortions of it.

    One of the Ten Commandments in the Christian bible is "Thou shalt not kill". This is not ambiguous or negotiable- it is an absolute decree; there is no wiggle room.
    The Second Amendment says "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". SHALL NOT. There is no wiggle room.

    Arms are only tools. They have no malice- that comes only from malicious people who happen to chose a gun as a weapon. The gun is still just a tool, in the same way that a kitchen knife or a rock can be used as an instrument for the malice to kill. Crimes should be punished. I don't know a single gun owner who would go easy on a criminal use of a firearm. But neither the firearms nor the legitimate ownership or use of them is criminal.

    So long as the people have to be the first line of their own defense, and so long as the powers of governments cannot be trusted- the 2nd amendment is the true protection of freedom in the Constitution.
    This is a discussion that is invalid from the beginning, being dragged on indefinitely by people seeking to usurp the Constitution rather than follow it.
     
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    Given you are a woman and a nurse, I understand your point of view, but I am pretty sure you have never been shot at or held by some moron at gun point.

    i was married to Quaker, an absolute pacifist who did not approve of my gun collection. A pacifist until her daughter was until her daughter was held up at her work, an Ice cream shop by a couple of pieces of trash wielding a sawed off shot gun. After getting the news, she told me to get her daughter and to “ get em” ; ther comes a point….
    when someone points a gun at you, you have your choice, I prefer to have a firearm which I almost always have on my person.
     
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    And here's the major difference between the more right-wing point of view versus the left....

    When left-wing people don't want to own something, we right wing types..... Say that's fine.

    But when left-wing people don't want to own something, they also think that you shouldn't own it and they're willing to use the force of the government to hijack law to demand and dictate what you may or may not do
     
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    His opinion does not matter.
     
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    Matters more than a random person on. A small internet board :p
     
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    He doesn't actually have any real expertise or knowledge on firearms.

    The only thing he's qualified to do is give his opinion just like a random person on a small internet board :smoking:

    And more than a few of them around here actually know quite a bit more on the topic than he does
     
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    Lols! Lols! Lols! Does that extend to books too? How about being transgender - that “fine” too?
     
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    No I haven’t been shot at because I am an Aussie - guns here are rare. The recent knife attacks (plural) in Sydney just elicited a nationwide fervent thank- you for our gun laws that prevent the average nutter from owning high powered rapid fire weapons and a commitment to further tightening of gun laws
     
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    But he knows the constitution like few others do
     
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    His opinion matters -exactly- as much as yours.
     
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    Laughing in Scalia and Thomas.
     
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    The title tells the story; "debunking Right wing . . . ". So obviously this is a political rather than scholarly dissertation.
     
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    Whose opinion? The member of Congress who is an acknowledged expert on constitutional law or the random anonymous person on the internet?
     
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    why-he's so full of crap, anyone who actually understands the constitution knows Raskin is a leftist turd who hates the second amendment because people who support the second amendment vote against scumbags like him. I want you to tell us why his claims are correct, rather than arguing by proxy-posting stuff that you don't have the ability to back up
     
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    Wow! You have a criteria for what would and would not be a scholarly dissertation? Please clue us in
     
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    He's not an expert on constitutional law if he utters crap like the stuff you posted of him. He's like that POS who runs the ATF who claims to be an expert on firearms laws yet he cannot even tell us what "an assault weapon is".

    Raskin's not stupid, neither is that clown from the ATF, they are just lying asshats
     
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    Given your posting history of hoplophilia I will take that with about 4 tonnes of salt
     
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    Hmmm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Raskin

    Got better qualifications?
     
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    Yep! But they are locked up when not in use. Btw does that count include cops and security officers and farmers because those are the main categories of people allowed to own guns
     
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    I want to see if you actually understand the arguments that you try to submit as your own by using a turd like Raskin as your proxy. Tell us why his claims are right after posters here-people who are actually on this board and able to defend their arguments (unlike Raskin) have disputed his biased and dishonest arguments.

    ball's in your court-show us why Raskin should be believed. I think he's full of cow manure myself
     
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    on firearms use and law
    absolutely. I was the ranking student in political science at Yale with a 4.0 in my major with general honors and departmental distinction. I didn't attend HLS though I was accepted at It (and the Business school) instead going to anther Ivy where I earned a JD and Masters in Labor relations at what is the top school in the world in that field. I was a two time all american and jr national shooting champion. I later held two national records -in pistol speed shooting. On top of that I was the firearms instructor for my district in the DOJ, and a court certified expert on firearms use, types and law. One of my students broke the world record in an Olympic shooting sport twice and was on two Olympic teams.

    I doubt Raskin can tell the difference between an M4 and a vibrator
     
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