Chicago sues Glock

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let's look at the end game of gun banners who cannot win normally so they try to get corrupt judges to allow these bullshit suits

    1) anyone who understands semi auto firearms understands that almost all semi autos can be converted to full auto and since the vast majority of semi autos use detachable magazines, the capacity can easily be increased

    2) it these scumbags succeed, and force Glock to rebuild their guns, I can guarantee someone will figure out a way of converting the new configuration and the gun banners will again file a suit. there is no end to this until the company goes out of business. And this is what the scum in chicago want to happen. They know that the case law and the constitution is against them so they piss all over the tort law to obtain a ban
     
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    Glock should hire the attorneys to represent the citizens of Chicago in their class action lawsuit against their local government for being so incompetent in their ability to actually enforce the laws and keep peace in society like their job is
     
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    That doesn't work.
     
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  4. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    It does if your goal is to protect black thugs and those who vote accordingly while trying to ban a popular firearm
     
  5. Reality

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    Qualified Immunity.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Glock should file a demand for fees and punitive damages under Rule 11
     
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    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Can you get sanctions against the .gov?
     
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    individuals yes under 42 USC 1983-civil rights violations (state actors)or a BIVENS action against federal actors for constitutional torts

    Rule 11 is against attorneys who file frivolous law suits
     
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    Right but the state doesn't hire a puke as a contractor to do it, they have a government employee filing things like this.

    Meaning QI. You can't get the DA under rule 11 as I understand it. He's immune.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    That only applies to government officials as individuals.
     
  11. Reality

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    Suing an attorney on rule 11 is suing an individual. You petition the court for the attorney to be sanctioned monetarily because they signed a pleading that, for example, they knew to be false or unsupported in law.
    If you sue the DA, that's suing an individual.
     
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    @FatBack said, "Glock should hire the attorneys to represent the citizens of Chicago in their class action lawsuit against their local government...".

    Nothing about sueing an individual.
     
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    While I normally specialize with 1911's and AR', I have worked on two Glocks (both G26s, one that would go intermittently full autonand the other fir twice with one trigger pull... Your girst round on target, the rest in the ceiling.not a fun thing. I b tace the issue to 3'd party trigger transfer bars.
    If someone want to fire a Glock, or any semimauto with a decent trigger reset, full auo they can easilu learn to bumprire them. Why you would over controlled semi auto fast firing is beyond me, perhaps a young iditot gag member looking to intimidate. I'd rther face an idiot with a full auto Glock than someone who uses controlled semi auto shots.
    People zre incredibly innovative. It's impossible to antcipate what is done in the after market. Hell, it's not that difficult to alter an AR or evena 10/20 to fire full auto. It's a frivolous suit being done for political purposes, one whose outcome will be predetermined by stCking the jury pool. A judgement against Glock won't stan in higher courts for obvious reasons.
     
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    I will have to check that but think that is wrong. DAs are subject to the rules of the court.
     
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    I think there is a difference between someone prosecuting criminal cases (immune) and those representing a client in a civil matter which is the case here because only prosecutors act in that capacity while a government attorney suing in a civil matter is no different than a private attorney also suing in civil court
     
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    Pursuing such a case is a costly use of pubic resources to make a political point that is already unpopular with voters in siege by some over 60 rival gangs that the Dems allowed to fester and take over entire neighborhois in a policy of containment rather than addressing gangs head on.Cicago gangs are almost like the feudal warloads of medieval Europe, fighting over turff fueled by drugs and guns supplied directly by Mexican Cartels. Going after Glock will not solve the Cicago violence that has been largely normalized and made worse by Decades of Dem mismanagement of the public trust in Chicago.
     
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    Christopher Boehning, one of the attorneys who filed the lawsuit, responding to a question about whether or not manufacturers bear responsibility for their products being altered to be more deadly and illegal:

    "Yes, and we've seen that in other industries and for some reason the gun industry continues to get a pass. Here Glock has known for some time that its weapons are so easily modifiable. It's known of the devastation that it causes. It hasn't done anything to modify its weapon to make it so that it can't be easily converted into a machine gun."
    @2:18
     
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  18. Galileo

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    I wonder what former gun industry insider and NRA lawyer Bob Ricker would have to say about this lawsuit. He knew that the gun industry turns a blind eye to illegal gun sales while profiting from them.

    "Bob's response was to try to change the industry from the outside. In appearances on 60 Minutes and other shows, he ridiculed the industry's disavowal of all responsibility for the gun violence problem. In sworn testimony introduced in court, he revealed that industry leaders were well aware that the illegal market in guns was constantly fed by corrupt or irresponsible dealers, knew that manufacturers and distributors could take steps to sell only to dealers adopting safe sales practices, yet consciously decided to do nothing. As Ricker described it, the industry adopted a 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil approach' that encouraged 'a culture of evasion of firearms laws.' Based in part on his testimony, a federal judge in New York found that the industry's irresponsible distribution of guns constituted a public nuisance."
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-gun-industrys-insider_b_388720
     
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    It's a lot like the idea of arresting the offending car instead of the drunk driver......

    I doubt the people who think that way will ever learn. The message that sends- is buy more ammunition, because they blame guns instead of criminals for crime.
     
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    So, how many crimes have been committed with altered Glocks? What devistation have modified Glocks caused?

    Politicians that frivously and callously expend public funds for political gain should be held accountable

    How many cars have been altered in the past century enabling them to eceed speed limits?There have been lots gun some enginering mind has converted to full auto, including the 1911".. Search You Tube.

    Next, I expect some Blue city to bring suit against manufacturers for making guns that can be used to commit crimes. Why, stop there? Why not sue knife manufacturers too.
     
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    Just when you think things can't get any more absurd.....
     
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    Quotes from the lawsuit:

    "Over the past two years, from the beginning of 2021 through December 31, 2023, over 1,100 Modified Glocks have been recovered by the Chicago Police Department ('CPD'). These terrifying weapons have caused death and destruction throughout Chicago: they have been recovered in connection with homicides, aggravated assaults, batteries, kidnappings, burglaries, home invasions, carjackings, and attempted robberies.....

    "A chilling aspect of this epidemic is its relationship to minors. Many Modified Glocks are found in the possession of minors—and many of the victims of Modified Glocks are minors as well. For example, in February 2023, police recovered three Modified Glocks in the bedroom of a 16-year-old who has since been charged with killing two other teenagers at a high school. That same month, police recovered two Modified Glocks at the scene of a shooting outside of a party where a 16-year-old was killed. Shell casings were found on the floor of the venue hosting the party, in the loading dock, and in the back alley, and a neighbor reported that a bullet had gone through his window....

    "Glock has violated numerous obligations under municipal and state law, including by failing to institute reasonable controls and safeguards to prevent the unlawful possession of its pistols, '[k]nowingly creat[ing], maintain[ing], or contribut[ing] to a condition in Illinois that endangers the safety or health of the public by conduct either unlawful in itself or unreasonable under all circumstances,' and engaging in unfair acts. 815 ILCS 505/2, 505/2BBBB(b)(1), (4). By violating these provisions of the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act ('ICFA'), Glock has created, maintained, and contributed to a public nuisance in Chicago, and has violated the Municipal Code of Chicago ('MCC'), Section 2-25-090(a), which prohibits any person from engaging in 'any conduct constituting an unlawful act or practice under the [ICFA].'....

    "It is well known that Glock pistols are particularly easy to modify for fully automatic firing with auto sears. This is in sharp contrast to most other pistols that do not accept auto sears as easily and instead require time-consuming and difficult engineering to be modified into automatic weapons.....

    "This quick modification comes with devastating results. A Modified Glock pistol can reportedly fire up to 1,200 rounds per minute—a faster rate of fire than the standard M4 machine gun used by the United States military.... By contrast, an unmodified Glock can fire only as fast as the shooter can repeatedly pull and release the trigger, which varies based on skill and experience level. Glock pistols affixed with a switch are also more difficult to control—resulting in a greater risk of bodily harm or death to bystanders. An untrained shooter using an unmodified semiautomatic Glock may already have a difficult time maintaining the gun’s recoil to stay on target while firing. That problem is exponentially greater when firing a Modified Glock. It is much more difficult for shooters to manage a Modified Glock’s recoil and maintain their target when firing so many rounds in rapid succession, resulting in more lethal shootings, grievous wounds for survivors, and greatly enhanced risks for bystanders.

    "Modified pistols, especially Modified Glocks, have grown tremendously in popularity in recent years. A company that uses audio sensors to monitor gunfire reported that there were 75,544 recorded rounds of 'suspected automatic gunfire in 2022 in portions of 127 cities covered by its microphones,' including Chicago, representing 'a 49 percent increase from the year before.'16 According to law enforcement, this increase is attributable, in part, to fully automatic pistols being seen by teenagers as 'status symbols that provide a competitive advantage.' 17 As another law-enforcement official explained, 'They think it’s cool, they think it looks cools, sounds cool, they want to brag about having it.' "
     
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    The sheer stupidity of blaming a weapon over the criminal is just mind-boggling. One has to question the motives of those who do that because the actions say they are not really related to controlling crime or criminals- but more to control the ability of the people at large to be able to defend themselves.

    "If you are not intending to do something that will require me to defend myself, why do you insist I be unable to defend myself?"

    This is similar to the tactic of calling AR-15's "assault rifles".
    In fact, if you add up all the annual murders that are committed with long guns of any kind and caliber, shotguns included- the number is substantially exceeded by the murders done with fists and feet alone.
     
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    crime control has almost nothing to do with the leftist jihad against AR 15s. It's all about trying to punish people who tend not to support the creeping crud of collectivism
     
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    class action lawsuit against their local government..
    Qualified immunity, a branching off of sovereign immunity, applies. Whether that's the individual or the .gov. You don't have a class action law suit against the city of chicago for being incompetent.
    FFS.

    Turtle offered rule 11, which would be about suing the lawyer who signed the pleadings.
     
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