The UnVaccinated are in for a big surprise.....

Not according to reputable data.

How many more do you need? Didnt you read the thread? Even betas chart shows the elderly got hammered big time

 

Hilarious. As though your sources ever use it properly!

Not by the vaccine. You've already had the statistics explained to you.

It's quite appalling that you think the "person years" has some sort of bearing on the adjusted figures, but not on the comedy lawyer's claim who suggested that one was x% more than the other.

 

I don't expect you to respond reasonably. You haven't so far.

 

From Canada:





The above from the government of Canada website.

The unvaccinated 20% did 47% of the dying. Covid patients were sent to specific hospitals run by the government. They gave everyone reporting as ill a PCR test for covid. And all hospital patients. They know who had covid and who died.

 

Complete with supporting URLs? Where?

 

FACT: New variants of the COVID-19 virus happen because the virus that causes COVID-19 constantly changes through a natural ongoing process of mutation (change). COVID-19 vaccines do not create or cause variants of the virus that causes COVID-19. As the COVID-19 virus spreads, it has more opportunities to change."

and since the Jab doesn't prevent the spread ... it has ore opportunities to change .. but also there are other ways the Jab promotes more mutations. .. and this would not be the first time the CDC has lied about Covid .. and /or Covid -Vax .. which is really really unfortunate and troubling.

Vaccines Could Drive The Evolution Of More COVID-19 Mutants

Vaccines Could Drive The Evolution Of More COVID-19 Mutants : NPR

 

Why do you continue to peddle this falsehood despite being corrected so many times. Your study covers a time period when no one was vaxed .. so 100% of the people who died were unvaxxed.. Second .. your data only applies to really sick and unhealthy --- as those were the only people showing up at the hospital and dying in statistically significant numbers.

Tell us how many healthy people died from Covid in order to put your data into context .. make it mean something .. . as "They know who had covid and who died" so tell us who they were these people .. starting with the number of healthy folks who died from Covid.

 

I've only been "corrected" by you, and it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

 

No offense but only 0.0001 XBB.1.5 to the 10th power divided by the square of Pi squared would understand your post.

 

Suggest you read about the situation in Canada before commenting further.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/



Most of the deaths in Canada happened after the vaccines were available. You might note 85% of people over five years were vaccinated and very few under age five died from covid. The numbers change a little because of when vaccinations took place. The numbers still show the vaccines cut death.

 

I know the situation in Canada far better than you so spare us the bragging - especially since you failed to address the central question. Who told you most deaths did not happen after the Jab .. wasn't me .. so why are you pretending otherwise in lame attempt at strawman fallacy.

The question you are wrestling with is how many healthy people died from Covid Jabbed vs Unjabbed ... and demonstrate that you now understand that the dead statistic only applies to the extremely unhealthy old, obese and on deaths door segment of the population .. and that your whole premise has failed on this basis .. and start the process of coming to grips with the fact that the Gov't, media and healthcare institutions lied to you.

 

At what date in the chart did Canada achieve 85% vaccination .. how many deaths prior to that time .. how many deaths after.

I realize that this data turned out to be meaningless as far as the general population is concerned .. but just wanted to show you that even your assessment of this data is false.

A whole lot of Deaths come prior to most people being Jabbed ... and almost none of the time was there 85% Jabbed .. both before and after this peak .. which doesn't include under 5 ... the 6 month Jab rate 75% .. more like 65% if you include the children .. and dropping like a stone.

Ooops heh heh .. when you gonna start to have faith in the scientist and subject matter expert in the room .. who has been right on every one of our interactions through the pandemic ..

They Lied Lang ... need to start coming to grips with that reality .. and tell me how many healthy children died from Covid .. .followed by a calculation of relative risk of harm/death from Covid .. standard information every parent should be given prior to Jabbing the Child ... along with risk of harm/death from the vax .. so people can make informed medical decision .. You know Lang .. like we do with every other medication ... mandatory that this information be given to the patient in fact .. things like Chemo ..

Where is that supposed to be "readily available information" Lang --- and why is the Gov't lying to you .. via sin of omission at the very least.

"Pandemic" -- is a scary word -- which is a good thing if you are trying to increase Gov't powers .. as one needs Martial Law" level scary-ness to invoke such powers .. Russian soldiers landing on the Beach in Baltimore .. the Bridge just fallen .. that kind of thing aye mate ?

In Canada .. land of the Trudeau Nazi party .. such measures were invoked .. Freedom Convoy be damned .. a Liberal Krystal Nacht .. Forced medical Treatment .. Jab or lose Job..

Now .. in a "Real" pandemic .. should one google top 10 pandemics .. you are going to see 50% of the population dead... 50,000 per 100,000 people .. dead.. as you move down the list 30% dead 30,000 per 100,000.

This is a huge number dead ... Bring on Martial Law .. this is a crazy unusual and lethal event .. risk of harm off the charts ..

Covid ? in a normal flu-pneumonia season we lose 20 per 100,000 .. most folks dying of natural causes die this way .. pneumonia for 9 out of 10 being the cause of death .. the pneumonia induced by the flu weaking immune system .. bad bacteria overpower good bacteria .. and that's how we all die at the end of days .. it is a life long battle that we eventually lose.

Covid took 40 per 100,000 - sure this is a 100% increase .. which really sucks for the hospitals which were at 80% capacity during a normal flu season with 20 per 100,000 coming in. .. but it is not exactly .. Martial Law worthy risk of harm to the average person .. and in fact .. given that those 40 are even more targeted towards the 80+ crowd who are morbidly obese with 3 co-morbidities and ready to go at any time crowd... the risk of harm to a normal moderately healthy person is less than a normal flu .. and indeed you hear near every one tell you they have had worse flu's than Covid ..

An increase of 20 extra deaths over normal --targeted only at the very old and very sick on deaths door already .. is a far cry from 30,000 per 100,000 deaths over the entire population.

Did you buy that lie Lang ? .. and if not .. what percentage of the population do you figure did .. buy the Pandemic Lie.. ?

 

Humans can be so gullible. Yes Virginia, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.

 

I wonder what your purpose is here. Very little of what you say about covid of mRNA covid vaccines is grounded in science or supported by valid sources.

 

That is the problem with conspiracy theorists.

The incredible irony.

 

Early 2021. The most vulnerable were given first priority in the vaccines.

It's not difficult to go through the data and tease out the impact of the vaccines on deaths. I just gave you obvious data that establishes vaccines cut covid deaths. Exactly how much is impacted by a number of variables we have discussed like the exposure to infection of vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

You're way out-of-bounds with your criticism of the basic premise vaccines cut covid deaths.

I can't parse this.

This makes no sense.

Children were not given covid vaccines in Canada for many months after the covid vaccine rollout. Risk vs. benefit was the major consideration.

There's way too much "you" in your comments because what I support is far different than what you intimate.

Very few people were required to take covid vaccines. Truckers were upset because crossing the U.S. border required vaccination for everyone.

You don't live in the real world if you think the Spanish Flu wasn't a "real pandemic" (it killed less than 1% of Americans).

"Until now, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had considered the influenza epidemic of 1918 to be the worst pandemic in modern history. The virus behind the pandemic was an H1N1 strain of flu originating in birds.

Some 500 million people, around a quarter of the world's population at the time, contracted the virus. It was named after the country where it first came to prominence. Spain was hard hit by the virus and, as a result of it having no media blackout during wartime, the disease became associated with the country. Globally, the influenza killed some 10 percent of those who contracted it.

In the U.S. alone the 1918 influenza epidemic killed an estimated 675,000, around one in five people who contracted the virus."​

https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-americans-died-spanish-flu-pandemic-end-1918-first-world-war-1631104

Your thinking is wayyyyy out of the mainstream on the trade-off between individual liberty and inconvenience versus collective action on pandemics. I don't care about that, but I do care about your anti-vax nonsense.

 

Holy carp what a deflective pile .. spaghetti at wall on top of strawman fallacy.

I did not deny that vaccines cut covid deaths (strawman fallacy) what you can not seem to understand .. is that this reduction does not apply the the vast and overwhelming majority of the population .. something quite unlike other Pandemics .. where the vast and overwhelming majority of the population is at risk.

for the 10th time at least .. your vax stat only applies to 0.1% of the population who are really sick old and dying .. the Big Lie is that this applies to the general population..

The Big Lie --- is that the "Vaccines cut covid deaths to the general Population" because of a state which only applies to a tiny segment of the population.

The other big lie is that this was a scary pandemic .. and the lie that those who point out that chicken little has cried wolf too many times are "anti Vax" .. or that people who dislike these new experimental mRNA treatments .. things which can hardly be called vaccines .. or at least useless at doing what vaccines are suppose to do .. are "anti Vax"

Strawman fallacy 2 - never said spanish flu wasn't a "real Pandemic" - another falsehood .. and these are adding up friend .. but look now at how wrong thinking your strawman fallacy is .. it was a fallacious strawman fallacy..

Simple calculation Canada dead from Covid .. your stats 59,000 dead .. population 38 million = 1550 per Million dead over flu period - which is 775 more than average flue year.

KK .. keep that number in mind 775 per million increase in the number of deaths .. 1% ??? = 10,000 per million increase and in addition .. this increase is dispersed over the whole population rather than the 0.1% who are already dead or dying soon.

If the hospitals are at 80% capacity with 775 deaths per year .. and we add an extra 775 dead that is a strain to the system .. hope they have some surge capacity .. going to be stretching that limit .. and certainly we reached this at times in some places .. generally managing to have enough surge capacity .. and we only hit this limit a couple times .. during two of the 3 big death waves.

Adding 10,000 .. to such a system .. instead of 775 .. is a whole different level of pain and suffering .. more than an order of magnitude by far.

What are you talking about mate ?? .. who told you I said Spanish Flu not a serious deal .. different level of Pain and suffering .. than a normal flu year.
Who filled your head with such false nonsense ? I didn't say any such thing ..

Going from 20 dead per 100,000 .. to 40 dead per 100,000 is no big deal ... a bad flu season .. but the sky is not falling .. and is only falling for a small demographic of the population ..

 

I've spent most of the past four years living in Canada.

Spare me the 'media lied to you' BS.

 

Blather. Read: https://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

Still at it?

Egads.

I can't be bothered with the rest of your post.

 

Well Happy Canada Day to you as well -- but that does not change the fact that you have be regurgitating a number of state sponsored lies fed you by not just the media .. ... but the Gov't .. and health care institutions

1) transmission lie
2) Pandemic Lie
3) Vaccine reduces death/hospitalization in general population Lie
4) Vaccine harmless lie ..

I am sorry for the necessary illusion bubble going pop -- it is ridiculous to believe that the mainstream media does not lie .. I know Rachel Maddow is a prog blue fan favorite .. but she is a big liar .. going on about how the Jab prevents transmission .. touting the Biden-Fauci propaganda line ..

All good in the hood in the name of combating "Vaccine Hesitancy " aye Lang is that what you believe .. if it is for a good cause .. it is not lying

 

I don't take my cue on what to believe from the media.

 

It's odd though that only conspiracy theorists are able to see through the "state sponsored lies".

 

Yes they are most often found in think tanks controlling the sheeple that never catch on.

 

Haha, no they aren't. Please refrain from posting disinformation.