The Looming Ukraine Debacle

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Yanukovich was hated because he had his a$$ stuck up Pootlers ass..."Bill".
     
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    I predict a large change in fortune for the Ukraine, with the arrival of over 1.5 million arty shells the Europeans have bought world wide for the Ukraine
    I predict that the German initiative of sending one more Patriot System to the Ukraine, will have copy cats.
    I predict the House and Senate will pass a Ukraine military help bill, this month.

    I predict, that Russia will be financially and militarily in deep shiit this Summer
     
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    I predict Germany won't send any more patriot systems because they're all blown up.
    I predict Germany will drop further into recession and de-industrialization.
    I predict ukraine will lose more and more territory and continue to fill up their cemeteries.
     
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    Certainly, the situation was well orchestrated. Lots of money have been invested to organize a coup. However, Yanukovich proved to be not a determined person. He could ask for help from Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan, like Lukashenko and Tokaev did at a time. Why did not he do that? Actually, most of the industrially developed areas like Donbass, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov supported him.He was a legally elected president, so he should have used his given power to set the country in peace.
     
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    I hope that is true but the reports I saw spoke about delivery to Ukraine in 2025.
     
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    next week The Ukraine will receive, one more Patriot Battery with 8 launchers from Germany.
    I predict that Germany will come out of this low level recession. 0.2 recession, the order books in the industry look rather good, surprisingly good.
    I predict, with the incoming ammo from the Europeans the Ukraine will be able to stop the Russian creep of 70 Meters a day.
    I predict that the Russian cemeteries will need large extensions, for empty graves.
     
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    Germany was able to send a full Patriot Battery to the Ukraine, arrival next week, because 2 Batteries just got out of a full overhaul. With the special budget Germany was able to order replacement of the Patriot systems it handed over to the Ukraine.

    The EU initiative concerning arty ammo, has bought over 1.5 million 155 and 105 for the Ukraine, the first deliveries should arrive this month.

    Yes the situation is not good in the Ukraine, but help is on the way. In 4 to 8 weeks the picture will change.
    The Ukraine got 1 more Iris T system this month, 2 more are coming, this year.
     
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    I predict Kerch will come crashing down....this summer....with the help of Taurus missiles.

    I predict Crimea will be lost....and Putler will meet his Ceaucescu moment?
     
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    There was no peace in Ukraine with Yanuk....he was as popular as herpes.

    If the East loved him so much why did they get rid of him also?

    The creature was a corrupted POS....he plopped his sorry a$$ on a golden toilet bowl to dobhis morning glory....while most others in Ukraine barely scraped by.

    And ...by the rumor grapevine...if true...he's been spotted in Prague and Berlin in these past years....probably has a flat in one or both those places. He robbed enough $$$ out of Ukraines coffers when he fled back in 2014.
     
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    Well, that is good and I am pleasantly surprised. Both that money from the 100 billion euro special fund is finally getting spent instead of sitting in a bank account and that delivers will start relatively soon. I will note that the ammo is coming from individual countries and is bypassing the EU bureaucracy , which is a very good thing. The EU promised to deliver 1 million 155mm shells to Ukraine in 2023 but only managed to deliver 30,000 largely because some members demanded all production only come from existing EU suppliers who already had long order books. No consideration was giving to Ukraine's immediate needs for ammo to defend itself.

    So I am very happy individual states simply ignored the EU and gave directly.
     
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    Zoom, there was peace before 2014.. The prices for gas was cheap, same for petrol. People lived reasonably well. In fact, people from the western part of Ukraine did not care if Ukraine is in EU or not. Those who lived in the border regions could travel to the EU without any visas. By whom Yanukovich was replaced? By Ukrainian oligarch Poroshenko.. You blame Yanukovich that he had gold toilets, but oligarch Pornoshenko had the same.
     
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    Are you Vanga? :D
     
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    Where did Poroshenko have gold toilet?....you were in his residence to see the crapper....visko?

    People lived reasonably well??....sure, that's why many left because living was so good...including you.

    Those in the West dreamed of being in the EU.....far better standards....vis. Stop telling lies....visko.
     
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    In 1943, Iran was not (NOT) being ruled by a klatch of extremist Islamo-Nazis.... No, that dangerous development came into being in 1979, and shortly afterward the Muslim mobs stormed the U. S. Embassy in Tehran and took Americans as hostages for well over a year (while Jimmuh Cawduh's administration did, in essence, nothing about it.

    Nevertheless, you're right about one thing. There's no justification for Israel to destroy the Iranian Consulate in Syria. There had been no formal declaration of war between Israel and Syria, or between Israel and Iran, and vice-versa.
     
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    Wasn't Yanukovich the one overthrown by Nuland and her goons? Wasn't that what Maidan was all about, snipers and more?
     
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    Yanuk wasn't overthrown by Nuland and her goons....it was a popular uprising....try to learn?

    Where's Yanuk these days...btw?

    I've heard he's been sighted in Prague, Berlin?....even has a flat in one....or both?

    Why so....I thought him and Pootler were pals?
     
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    Pornoshenko was an oligarch. You did not know that? Saw in the same places where you saw the info about Yanukovich - in Internet. Or you want to say that you saw treasures of Yanukovich with your own eyes?:D Yes, people in Ukraine lived much better before 2014 than after. You understand perfectly well what I mean, do not pretend to be
     
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    Poroshenko was an oligarch...sure...where's the golden toilet bowl?:)

    My contact sent me several pics of Yanuks Mezhyria.....great looking golden toilet bowl.

    I suspect the toilet paper was made from silk?....must have felt great wiping the backside...but expensive.

    No...there weren't any better in 2014....visko.

    Why did you move out?....you made some claim way back when you were originally from Donetsk?....
     
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    Sure, your contact visited Yanukovich to make photos of gold toilet. ..:roflol: I saw Pornoshenko bowls in Internet-google it and find it.
    If you say it was not better before 2014 than after then you have no idea how was it there before and how became after. I was only born in Donetsk in Soviet Union times. I moved from Russia to Germany and not from Ukraine.
     
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    Yes, he was the one who was overthrown by the order from the "guests" from the US.
     
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    This was after Yanuk was booted out ....viskochem...he visited the mansion...not Yanuk....as a tourist attraction....:)....not up to speed are you...:grin:

    You saw Poroshenkos gold toilets on internet?....sure and you see UFOs too I suspect....you always mention it.

    We actually have one at Area 51....I tried to get close to see....some fellas there weren't to happy about that....:(.

    Oh why did you move to Germany?.....yes life was better in former East Germany, good apartments Germans build....not like Krushchevkas or "devyahtetashkas"?
     
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    What the hell Nuland did on Maidan in Kiev in 2014? Why the hell she was deciding who should be the prime minister in Ukraine? So yes, it is the gang from the US administration created the **** in Ukraine in 2014.
     
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    Nooo....visko....is that why Pootler is chummy with glupi ass kisses like Orban, Fico, Trumper...:roflol:.....Nuland said lotsa things viskochem....doesn't make it true....:)
     
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    Germany has contracted 99% of the special fund, naturally, besides down payments, most of the money will flow according to delivery of the systems, what ever they are.

    The EU has contracted 1 million shells, but never considered manufacturing capacity. France demanded only ammo from EU companies, but gave that one up several weeks ago.
    The Europeans have organized groups which support the Ukraine, 1 does F16, 1 does arty ammo, 1 does tanks, 1 does air defense and so on.
    One country takes the leadship and other sign on.

    The EU is in the background and supports those groups, or helps with billions in humanitarian aid. The EU for example has right now excepted the reforms of The Ukraine, which allows billions to flow to the Ukraine.

    It is a very complex and sometime difficult System, with the EU and the European countries and how that all interacts and then add NATO to it, plus the Ramstein round.
     
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    Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the same person who posted an OP, over a year ago, saying that Russia had already won and that there was nothing left to do but mop up? Am I getting that right?
     
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