What is the primary reason you support Biden?

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    What is the primary reason you support Biden? Did he resolve your primary concern during his first term? If not then what makes you think he will succeed in a 2nd term?

    I ask because someone made a thread like this asking about Trump and I'm really seriously curious about reasons one would support Biden.

    Your considered responses are appreciated.
     
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    I will vote for neither Trump nor Biden.
     
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    Very simple. When Trump was POTUS, America was a 3rd nation like this, and Biden saved America. Is anyone with half a brain interested in going back to this America?


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    because you have another choice that we don't know about?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not plan to vote, but I would assume the most common reason will be to prevent Trump form getting back to WH.
     
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    I don't think you will get an honest answer out of the Left from this.

    Some might cite that one big primary reason is that a vote for Biden is a vote against Trump. But even there, I doubt that they will give you a real honest genuine reason why they are so against Trump.

    What I think it comes down to is this: They want free stuff. That's the main policy that they actually want; the true priority of the voters. And they want to accelerate the inevitable demographic shift that will cement their party's power. Even with all the economic negatives of immigration, the dangling possibility of free stuff is still irresistible. Can't vote for Trump because he was slowing it down, and then they might have to wait 30 or 40 years for the demographic shift to transpire.

    Now honestly, when it comes specifically to the issue of free stuff, an Administration under Biden probably wouldn't be extremely different from an Administration under Trump. But the Democrats have more rhetoric about this issue, and the voters want to vote for the Democrat candidate out of hope and the possibility that they might get everything they want. It's always a dangling carrot on the Democrat side that helps turn out the voters.
     
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    I can always abstain.
     
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    Why would they lie about it? Many Independents will support him in order to oppose Trump, and Dems will support him because he is a Dem, and supports the typical Dem ideas.
     
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    In another word, I don’t get my way so I don’t care if “I want to be dictator on day one” became POTUS.
     
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    I will not vote for Trump. I also will not vote for Biden the betrayer of the Afghans and the advocate of climate madness.
     
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    In my opinion, all the Independents who do so are only doing so out of misinformation. The media coverage of Trump has been extremely negative, to say the least.

    Sure, it's totally understandable Democrats on the Left do not want Trump's policies. But the only way Democrats can make sure Independents do not vote for Trump is to make him look like a bad person.
     
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    The media conspiracy gets old. Lot of people just can't take any more of his whining, or things he says he will do. So, lot of independents will pull for Biden simply because they can't stand the idea of having Trump back in the office. People like stability, not some lose cannon who says he might not honor NATO treaties, or who makes everything about himself. The media doesn't have to make it up, when it's there for all to see.
     
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    Sure, because Trump and Biden both are so bad that ending 250 years of American democracy is not much of a loss.

    If I recall correctly, those people in Afghanistan didn't want Americans there. Every other day, they would kill themselves as long as they can kill a few Americans with them. And you want to end American democracy because Biden betrayed those Afghan people?
     
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    I have much more faith in our institutions than you do. A worm like Trump is not a threat.
    There were still Afghan units fighting as our evacuation aircraft lifted off.
    Perspective|Afghans were willing to fight. But we abandoned them on the battlefield.
    The United States built their military in our image, not theirs, but still we soldiered side by side.August 19, 2021
     
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    You have faith in American institution? Do you know institution are only good when good men and women are managing those institution? On Jan 6, 2021 , 45% GOP elected official voted not to certify legitimately elected POTUS. And you have faith in these people?


    you bring up articles about Afghanistan military fight against their own government ( Taliban) so Forgan army ( US ) can stay in their land longer? You know what will happen in America , if proton of US military side with foreign government ? They will be shot and killed for treason. You are so desperate to stay in Afghanistan , you would work with enemy of Afghanistan. This was the problem with Bush foreign policy from the day one ( after 9/11) , Bush thought he can bring democracy to Muslims country who wants to live in 5th century.

    Thank God Biden had the courage to end 20 years conflict which were going no where.
     
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    Afghans had the possibility of a better life. We took that from them when we left.
    The events of 6 Jan are only called a coup by people who have never seen the real thing.
     
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    Trump is the better option. If we vote Biden in we will get Harris as a president. We will get more donkey money. 1712768772798_0_watermarked.jpeg

    college handouts will be just the start. We will likely see a race based tax under this party as well. We have had multiple politicians from the donkeys advocate for it. We will get more wars because the world knows Biden and Harris are weak leaders. We will see Ukraine crumble and Georgia fall in line with Russia. We will have leaders that let the pro Hamas crowd sway them. We likely see more land grabs to destroy oil and coal production. We may even see regulations that will cause our groceries to inflate even further with regulations aimed at cattle and food producers.
     
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    There no world in which he's a worse pick than Trump. And my state is getting more purple, so just voting third party isn't as attractive as it used to be for me.
     
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    In that case, you must be PISSED about Trump orchestrating the fall of that "better life" for Afghans.
     
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    I voted for Biden in 2020 because Trump had to go. I was sick and tired of Trump’s 4-year-old spoiled brat antics like name calling and throwing temper tantrums along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics. Throw in his very unpresidential behavior which was way below the dignity the office of the presidency deserves. 2020 was a no brainier for me, I voted for Biden more as a transition president, someone to fill in between Trump and whoever came next. There was quite a lot of folks who voted for Biden as a transition president, voting for him at the presidential level enabling Biden to win by 7 plus million votes, then voting republican down ballot enabling the Republican to gain 13 house seats. A lot of ticket splitters.

    This year, it’s not so simple as transition presidents, transition anyone or anything don’t run for reelection. I don’t want Biden reelected; I don’t want Trump to regain the white house. I refuse to help either one with my vote. I’ll vote third party against both; I want my vote officially registered as being against both. I’m not the only one who views both Biden and Trump negatively, 26% of all Americans do also along with 29% of all Americans who think and say neither Biden nor Trump would make a good president. This rematch is a rematch made in hell and in hell is exactly where this rematch belongs.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ve-unfavorable-views-of-both-biden-and-trump/

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/642911...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication
     
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    Im voting for Trump purely for the judges
     
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    there is also the seething hatred of the religious right. The alphabet agenda especially are beyond hateful of the RR.
     
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    Definitely one of Trumps liberal moves
     
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    I will vote for Biden this election cycle. Biden did not resolve my primary concern during his first term. I have no doubt he will fail to address it in the second. My primary concern is the preservation and safeguarding of democracy, with a secondary concern to support Ukraine fully until they defeat the Russian invasion.

    Biden has taken no particular actions as president to try and safeguard democracy, aside from simply not engaging in the sorts of behaviors his predecessor did. No attempts to reform the DOJ and ensure the political whims of who sits in the oval office cannot influence it. No attempts to reform the practice of using acting directors to avoid Senate confirmation. No attempts to make reforms to safeguard members of the executive who are subpoenaed by congress from executive reprisal for complying with the subpoena. No reforms to ensure people who ignore their subpoenas get prosecuted. About all he's done is just not done those things himself.

    On Ukraine, he did an initial masterful job of publicly releasing intelligence to call out Russia's invasion before it happened. He got allies on board with massive sanctions that frankly should have been done under Obama. He supported Ukraine afterward, but slow-walked sending critical weapons when they would have made a decisive difference. He wasted time until Russian propaganda efforts finally paid off by getting the Republican party to turn against sending additional aid. Apparently WW II style appeasement is the other choice.
     
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    And yet ironically it may have been Biden who is to blame for the war in Ukraine.
    The Administration's seeming ineptitude has led to all sorts of foreign conflicts going badly. (mainly referring to the disastrous pullout from Afghanistan)

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine didn't come completely out of nowhere. The Russians made repeated complaints, which the leaders of the U.S. ignored.
    If you listen to Putin, his position was that Russian complaints were repeatedly ignored and he felt Russia was being backed into a corner.
     
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