Why and where did Jesus go away?

It's unlisted and he only gives it out to his own. Try seeking him rather than "her".

 

Holy Horrible response my old friend -- that's so lame .. this made up silliness is for shame .. blaspheming the Most High God once again .. even though you don't know his name .. or is it a he .. or a she ?

OH .. its a He you say .. this mystery God that you claim to know .. where in the Bible does it say your God is a He .. or is this something God told you when the two of you sat down for Tea

and did you like the music video friend ?

 

Lol Fair enough. Next time sometime tells you they aren't interested in talking about something with you maybe leave the there.

 

This topic isn't about that. It asks where did Jesus go when he left, and why did he say he is with those to whom he spoke until the end of the world if he went away. And why do people pray to him if he went away. I said that according to Jesus, he had to return to his Father. But before he left, he exercised his holy priesthood power to confer on them the gift of the holy ghost as a comforter. Therefore he went to the Father and yet is with them in spirit in the holy ghost and as a line of divine communication to God. And people pray to him to know how to better live in the world without being corrupted by it. I also said the secular equivalent of prayer might be calling loved ones for understanding or dialing 911 for emergencies. If you want to, you should begin a topic about who is God and is God a male or a Female, rather than criticize me because my answer to the OP within the parameters set by the OP doesn't address your own private thoughts, wonderings, and/or conflictions.

 

Jesus doesn't have to return to God .. according to trinity doctrine .. because Jesus is God. Do you not believe that Jesus is God ?

Jesus may well have conferred the gift of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles (the ability to speak Gods Word) -- but unfortunately - he didn't couple this gift with the ability and/ or the desire to write things down .. and so we have no record of any of these communications .. and thus the gift (The Word) was not transmitted in any readily recognizable form .. your visitation obviously provided no help in this respect ... unable to recognize "The word". Were one able to search it out to begin with .. problem 2 -- that door shut.

and .. in much consternation we come round to the same poison lizard .. "Divine Communication" ----- !!! "Bingo" ??? Seeking - Finding - Understanding .. all pointless if one is unable recognize the Way .. the Path .. the Light. ... but we have yet to start to seek .. so .. the Truth is a long way away .. the divine communication from God.

OH OH NO NO .. I have found it they say .. pointing to the Holy Book --- Right !?

 

Maybe I'm an oddball. But my approach to the Bible is that it is like a private conversation on the other side of a high stone wall. I am on the opposite side of that wall, eavesdropping. I hear it, but I'm not the speaker or one of those to whom the speaker is speaking. To think that I am a part of it is highly presumptuous, seeing that in reality, I am not.

So let's say that what I hear is appealing to me, and that I can somewhat identify with it. Still it is not to or about me. So I ask myself, who is this God of whom they speak, and who is this God that does speak. We are separated by a wall. So where and who is he. The Bible then becomes to me like a conversation pointing to God, which I have overheard. Rather than insert myself into the conversation and imagine myself in the congregation, I instead seek out God for myself, but not in the words or testimonies of others. I seek the living God for my own satisfaction, that I might know him and that I may have something to add and be a true participant, rather than a colorful parrot, reflecting what I do not know for myself but have only overheard.

There is a certain aristocratic condescension in many who fancy themselves saved by having overheard a conversation and imagined themselves a part therein. Like I said, maybe I'm an oddity. But I think that if I am to honor the God in whom I find appeal, it should begin with humility rather than presumption. And that he should choose me rather than I choose myself. Otherwise I would make myself out to be God, and love myself more than the greatness of his words. There is no edification in vain repetition of scripture or others words. Jesus proclaimed this and that, and Paul and Peter said thus and so. But what do I say? I know by his spirit that God lives, that my true life is in him rather than in myself or in my life alone. He is my light and my life. In him is my trust as I journey. It's all I know and is my foundation.

 

This was an interesting response .. a perspective similar to my own in ways at the beginning .. then diverging but making sense .. but then at the end falls completely off the deep end.

So you initially case yourself as a hearer of the conversation - but can't see behind the curtain .. .. and you ask yourself .. which God is speaking ..or which person don't forget .. Psalms are just hymns sung in church back in the day .. collected .. not presented as being from God .. or some God Speaking.

So in this scripture --- we must search for God's word-- not make any Defacto conclusions about salvation. and certainly not presume to speak for God.

All good so far .. but then "the greatness of his Words" ?? --- This presumes you have found God's word in scripture.. and that these words were great. .. and now its time for "Bat out of Hell" Stop right there .. before you go any further do you ... and you know the rest of the song. What words of God have you found ? and which God .. those words they come from !!

You then go on further "He is the Light of my life" Without having found "The Word" you can not claim to have found the light .. the path .. The way .. .. that's how Christians were known before they were called Christians .. people of "The Way"

Tell me if you have found "The Way" --- what are these sacred words from Scripture that you have found -- the way .. the Truth .. The Light... if any ? ... and for goodness sakes did you listen to the song I gifted you Especially the Lyrics ... and are you the dandy highwayman !

 

If you read closely, I said, "I know by his spirit that God lives, that my true life is in him rather than in myself or in my life alone. He is my light and my life. In him is my trust as I journey. It's all I know and is my foundation." God gave me a revelation, independent of all other influence.

 

Yeah .. I heard what you said .. your failure is the assumption that knowing that God lives .. makes God the light showing you the way on your journey .. nor your foundation.

Your foundation is not based on "The Word" - you have misappropriated your revelation to a foundation of sand .. rather than the rock on which Jesus suggested - Your revelation is not the light by which your path is dictated - as that path was not given to you in that revelation ..

You have built your foundation on the dark side .. misappropriated your revelation .. to a dark location .. thinking yourself free from all influence .. but that is not what I hear when speaking .. calling out "The greatness of his words" .. but when one says Yes .. please tell me these words .. as I have done countless times .. you deflect and go mute.. "The Word" an unfamiliar face in the crowd .. the light which you are familiar - something else .. something from the hands of men .. and we know who is influencing those dirty hands now don't we ! There are not "Great Words" ..

Why do you deny -- "The Word" ? remember how Peter denied Lord Jesus 3 times ? Why do you not follow the Truth, The way, the light .. follow the path of salvation ? why do you not know so can not speak the "Great Words from the one True God"

 

You don't get it. What I said and learned from his spirit in my revelation, I have written into words. That is essentially Gods word because it comes from God and is true. It could be added to scripture and not be contradictory or blasphemous. All the scriptures come from Gods spirit as it moves in the hearts, minds, and souls of his servants. They put their testimonies, laws, or what have you, which they have received from Gods spirit, into words. And that becomes scripture. Though Paul said that scriptures are good for the man of God. It doesn't mean that reading scriptures will make you a man of God. One must first be a man of God for the scripture to have any valid effect. In other words, if it is said that raw meat is good for a lion, that doesn't mean that eating raw meat will make you a lion. One must first be a lion or a man of God for raw meat or scripture to be of any real benefit. And whether one is a man of God or a lion is dependent on the will and purpose of God.

 

Wow .. you right about that .. did not realized you have created your own scripture ..

KK .. so you have a new Gospel that can be added to scripture -- glad to hear it will not be contradictory or blasphemous -- but will it contribute anything to what the spirit has already given ? think I asked you this before . .. looking forward to hearing what new revelations relating to the salvation formulation.

The word of Paul is not inspired .. Philosophic pontification .. often in contrast and contradiction to "The Logos" along with his sidekick Marty .. the devils hands at work the side-kick. Not sure why you talk about Paul .. in a conversation about God's word .. but never mind .. and reveal what additions this new Gospel has to the salvation formulation of the Logos .. What do we have to add to the words of Jesus ! to the salvation formulation.

 

I haven't created a new gospel, but to state an affirmation that God lives and the Bible is true in that regard. If you meet a girl and fall in love, her imperfections and shortcomings are irrelevant. So whatever fault one finds in the Bible is inconsequential to the love of truth and the spirit of the matter. In the book Revelation 12, John wrote: "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

 

Holy carp mate --- need figure out what it is you believe from one post to the next - this doctrine of yours is all over the place .. often on both sides of the same fence .. which lends credence to the misappropriation of revelation hypothesis.

You have "The Word of God" -- a new revelation to add to scripture -- that you have written. I don't care about Revelation 12 at the moment .. I am already familiar with that scripture .. what I would like to hear is what you have to add to scripture - in particular any additions to the salvation formulation of Lord Jesus.

 

I doubt that he will. BCoz...

 

LOLOL .. Good one I doubt that he will for other reasons .. the first being is that he has none .. and thus .. the new gospel is not much use now is it if it does not adding anything to "The Word" .. "And the Word Was God"

So .. these folks who wish to usurp the position of the Logos .. the one who spoke Gods word through the Holy Spirit .. and substitute .. (who knows what else .. the message du jour via speaking in tongues) are committing the "Unforgivable Sin" .. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit .. aka "Speaking for God" aka Pontifex Maximus .. the Awful Horror --- wondering if that is not a reason as well.... sometimes the fish senses the net is near.

 

I think a lot of these people are not jealous but feel they are missing something. Like they are lesser people one of the complaints I hear a lot of how judgy Christians are. Some of them can be but that's not unique to Christians. This seems to indicate that they can't live up to the ideal.

They wish they had the ability to Believe.

The thing is they do. It's not mysticism it's not some magical event that I was chosen for, it was a choice I made. No miraculous things happens that made me choose.

And I think a lot of these people want it to be that.

Just to let anybody that might be interested, I'm not better than you no Christian is. You are as good and as Worthy as anyone else. It's not supposed to be used to look down on people and not every Christian or other religious group is like that.

 

Jesus is a 5th density being that acted as a catalyst to bring a chain of events that would lead to spiritual awakening, first in a few, and gradually more and more. Of course, the church got hold of the teachings of Jesus and immediately turned it into a toll of domination and power, and has been used that way by some ever since. But, the teacings of Jesus are only one way to approach spiritual awakening. Every religion, even atheism and science, can lead the same way. Religion is just one route to get there. After going through awakening, you realize that all the judgement, all the division and separation that tends to be preached by religions, states, ethnicities, etc, is all BS, and that all along everyone and everything we have met and seen on our journey has just been ourself. Nothing exists but god, and every individual is just another aspect of you having an experience that allows you to experience yourself. the illusion of being separate is simply a way to make the illusion seem real.

The teachings and death of Jesus was a way to wake up from the illusion. Upon spiritual awakening, you can begin to appreciate all of the infinite lives you have lived, and all the things that seemed difficult or impossible will be far more greatly appreciated than if they had been experienced if you knew who you really were.

God is all that exists, and all that ever has existed.