Putting a face on systemic racism.

can you tell the difference between a German and English phenotype?

And like someone just stated, ppl don't mind being asked where they're from, it's actually a good ice breaker. Don't be so timid, that is your own insecurities manifesting (collective guilt?).

If you feel guilty you will outwardly express it, subconsciously. This perhaps explains your apprehension.
You have accepted collective guilt. You must feel utterly ashamed about something, you can talk to me anytime brother

 

I can a German accent from an English one, not so with Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. I’ve never heard of Europeans being upset about being asked where they’re from, just Asians.

I have no feelings of guilt, that’s why I’m not woke.

 

iAsked phenotype. Do you know what that means?

Perhaps it was the context you asked. If you knocked over someone's drink and asked where they were from, compared to buying someone a drink then asking where they're from has contrasting reactions, ya dig.

Even then, asking someone where they're from, then not giving a damn what they said will also have a negative reaction. If you're going to ask someone where they're from then it has to be genuine, otherwise your bluff will be called.

You can't masquerade this kind of stuff. Otherwise just stay in your lane and you won't get called out. Play your role and live or die by it. Don't pretend to be something you aren't aka Indiana Jones. You'll get much more respect.

 

My post was addressed at a poster with whom I disagree, but who understands what racism REALLY is. If you want to participate in such a discussion, you would need to start with the basics.

 

No its not.

 

No, eliminating racism in the system should be the goal. Particularly in governance. No government system should be anything but colorblind. Any government system that has race as a preferential criteria IS systemic racism personified, and THAT perpetuates racism.

 

You're not going to eliminate racism in the system by doing nothing. This is why white supremacists advocate for that.

We need a system that ALLOWS the government to be color blind.

Systemic racism is perpetuated by the system. Not by the government. That's why it's called "SYSTEMIC racism" and not "governmental racism". But it's not going to fix itself. Black people aren't suddenly going to be able to afford college education. Employers won't spontaneously stop preferring a candidate only because their name is "Michael" and not "Jamal".... UNLESS there is some incentive to not discriminate based on their financial capabilities, or their choice of names.

 

Sure you are. Stop treating people differently based on their race. Literally, treat every person the same.

Government has no interest in being colorblind, as long as it can profit politically from dividing people. We shouldn't stand for that BS, but for some reason we do. Simply allowing colorblind governance won't change anything, we have to demand it, and back up those demands at the polls.

No one needs a college education to be successful and become wealthy in the USA. And, truth be told, average kids would probably be better off without one. Blaming college being unaffordable for ones failure is a cop out. Welders, plumbers and electricians are getting huge signing bonuses and 6 figure salaries right out of trade school, currently. Whereas kids with 4 year "liberal arts" degrees end up working at walmart and carrying $60K of student loan debt, young welders have $60k in the bank in the same 4 years following high school.

Private employers should be able to decide for themselves who they want to employ, and use any criteria they see fit to make hiring decisions. The market will take care of their success or failure, and if they behave unethically, their customers will hold them accountable, and their competitors will reap the reward.

 

I know what it is. And its not what you claim it is. What you claim it is is just another form of division. Identitarianism at its finest.

 

We already have that. Unfortunately, leftist identitarians won't let it work that way. They INSIST on policies that favor looking at skin color. Thankfully the courts are slapping such idiocy down.

There is no system in place that favors systemic racism. But lets amuse you for a moment. What system would you replace the US system with. Don't give vague generalities. Give me the details. Exact details. And if you are incapable of explaining it then point to a system from within the entire world that represents what you want.

 

I’ll tell you EXACTLY why. The Family unit. 70% of black families are of broken homes. Many are fatherless. Now do all the math and ramifications that come from that fact. ALSO, a problem is that most of them do NOT prioritize education while certain other poor demographics, like Asians, do.

So stress of broken homes+poverty+broken family values and a lack of a learning work ethic=hard times in college.

It is NOT because college won’t take them. They’ll accept black people disproportionately using lower standards and they still can’t get through 4yrs, which doesn’t solve anything because many don’t reserve it in the first place, hence dropping/failing out.

That’s NOT racism. That’s the far bigger problem of a broken culture. NOT all obviously. But sadly, most. And that 70% problem sure as $@“&$(; isn’t due to white people. Black families stuck together MORE when there really was systemic racism. NOT NOW!!!

The excuse is in the mirror and with black leaders perpetuating the LIE, because it’s easy to blame white people. Who wants to hear the truth when the lie takes all the responsibility away?

 

Do you thinks blacks are the only people who can't afford to go to college?Besides, you're getting ahead of yourself with this college thing as we've had threads on this board detailing how schools in Chicago and Baltimore with no students reading or doing math at grade level - that's what the left should be focusing on.

If a smart kid graduates high school after mastering the fundamentals and can't afford college tuition, he's still a smart kid and can do well in life and maybe go to college later. A dumb kid who can't read or write will go nowhere. Which of those two scenarios do you think is better?

 

Hey Golem, when you say suddenly blacks aren't going to be able to afford a college education, what about the people in red states? Yes, the people in red states the left frequently says are the poorest of all states and take more then they give. You do know white people live in those states, right? Of course you do, because that's who you're really attacking when you make those claims.

When I say you, I don't mean you personally, I mean the left in general.

 

Let's ask Morgan Freeman..

Putting a face on systemic racism.

 

The goal of government backed initiatives like affirmative action isn't to end racism. Racism won't end because of imposed hiring practices. AA was instituted in recognition of the inherent disadvantage black people had due to centuries of racist discrimination.

The Origin of Affirmative Action Policies in Higher Education
In 1961, President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order 10925, which compelled government contractors to “‘take affirmative action’ to realize the national goal of ‘nondiscrimination.’” Many US colleges and universities were later galvanized to develop affirmative action admissions policies in the 1970s following the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1968.

Before this, students of color were banned from attending “white” higher education institutions in Southern states. They were instead relegated to less well-funded and less prestigious historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs). Even in Northern states, where the ban did not technically exist, white students were heavily favored in admissions. Black students who managed to gain admission experienced overt discrimination in nearly all predominantly white colleges and universities.

The Purpose of Affirmative Action
Kennedy’s order recognized the systemic nature of racism in the US and its far-reaching impact on the wellbeing of generations of non-white Americans. Related policies in higher education admissions, by extension, recognize that young people of color often don’t have the same socioeconomic and academic advantages as their white counterparts in the years leading up to college. One example of this is the high cost of SAT prep programs, which can significantly boost test scores for students whose parents can afford and facilitate them.

As race-conscious policies, affirmative action admissions seek to address the fact that inequality in society as a whole creates multiple race-related barriers to graduating from high school and attending college for non-white students. They attempt to mitigate these systemic barriers to higher education by allowing race to be one factor among many others as college admissions faculty evaluate applications.
https://www.joinarcc.org/resources/...MIrL-98YzJhQMV10d_AB2D_QVbEAAYAiAAEgJo6_D_BwE

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...#:~:text=John F. Kennedy,diverse student body.

 

Of course AA won't end racism, it perpetuates it. AA is the face of systemic racism. Any system that gives preferential or deferential treatment based on race is, by definition, systemic racism. Primarily because it operates on the assumption that black folks are not as capable as others.

 

As I tried to point out, you are conflating racism with the goal of AA, addressing centuries long systemic discrimination.

 

And, as I tried to point out, the idea that black people are incapable of excellence without having the bar lowered for them, perpetuates racism and is itself the very face of systemic racism.

 

Ok. This statement completely contradicts your original post. So let's go back to the basics. I thought you had it clear that systemic racism is NOT about anybody treating somebody different. It's about the way the system is built to give advantages to the dominant ethnic group (whites. Especially Christian males) over the other ethnic groups.

Of course, the RESULT is that somebody is treated different. But this is not the point. The point is that the system is built to make the difference. Confusing the RESULT of a problem, with the CAUSE of the problem is what white supremacists promote. It's a trap into which many people fall.

The CAUSE of institutional racism is not some box labeled "Race" in an application form. The cause is the need for education, for access to jobs, .... To SOLVE the problem (like any other problem), we need to attack the cause. Not the symptom.

BTW, part of the solution is to get more people to understand that there is no such thing as "race". And that is a failure of these form that still use the old nomenclature. Even after science has abandoned that concept in human beings. But... change is slow. We'll get there.

I could not care less what the motivation to solve the problem is. If promoting equality drives people to vote in a certain way... power to them.... I say USE IT for political profit. They deserve it!

Whether people tend to vote for politicians who want to solve problems, rather than those who don't is irrelevant as it concerns this thread.. So I'll wait to see if you have any comment about the MEAT of the matter. As explained in the first part of my response.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Private employers CAN decide for themselves who to hire. But the government must give them an incentive to at least LOOK at candidates with names like Latisha or Jamar. Because, as the study referenced in the OP helps illustrate, they tend not to consider them at all.

 

They insist on policies that favor looking at skin color in a POSITIVE way because the system favors looking at it in a negative way unless the color is white.

Again: no offense, but the post you are quoting was intended for somebody who already understood most of the concepts. My responses to you would be at a much more ... elementary level... than they are to them. If you want to participate in THAT debate, you will need to look up the basics first. I don't want to downgrade the topic. Without the basics it would be like trying to explain M-Theory to somebody who believes God created the Universe. There are many resources in which you can research the basics. Even in the original post of the poster I am responding to there is an adequate explanation. What we disagree on is the solution.

 

Exactly! They prioritize not starving to death over education. And lack of education means no adequate pay, so their children have no alternative but to do the same. And so do their children's children... This has permeated from generation to generation since... slavery, and then Jim Crowe. If we WANT to solve it, we need to break the cycle. If we don't, then we don't do anything.

You got it right! Sometimes one finds facts from the most unexpected sources.

 

Nope!

 

Its very clear and makes a lot of sense. I also 100% don't think they also don't believe this concept, its just, like i said, RACE HUSTLING. I already gave a solution to the problem but OP wants nothing to do with it because it doesn't leave any slack for race hustling (which is basically the point of this thread)

 

No it doesn't, it was just poorly worded. I should have said: "Stop building and supporting systems that treat people differently based on their race."

Government giving incentives, or penalties, based on race is the very definition of "systemic racism", and ultimately perpetuates the problem. Smart businesses hire the best and the brightest, and pay no attention to race at all. Smart businesses will thrive, and the others will not, no government intervention necessary.

 

What SYSTEM? You keep saying things like this with zero facts to back it up. and are now bringing up God? This has all the signs of what happens when someone can't actually come up with a decent rebuttal

AA is RACIST
ANYTHING Race based is racist
The Left is still trying to push segregationist policies (DISGUSTING)