What is the primary reason you support Biden?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Primary reason is that he is better than Trump and that is our choices in 2024
     
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    And I am betting that is why you wouldn’t vote for Kennedy either
     
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    I think you should tune into “Democracy Docket” with Mark Alias

    https://www.democracydocket.com/

    He podcasts with Brian Taylor Cohen which is why I know about him
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a vote for 3rd party is a vote for Trump
     
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    A vote for other than the duopoly is a vote against the duopoly.
     
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    America needs to go to preferential voting
     
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    ..in which case...."None Of The Above" - allow people to state their disapproval and indicate they wish to withdraw their consent for the election process. Should NOTA win then...maybe....discard the candidates and re-run the election or whatever other contingency may exist...
     
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  8. FreshAir

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    it's saying, I want others to decide
     
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    sure...I suppose it says many things but in essence it allows for an individual expression of dissent and potentially the subsequent quantification of the general level of dissent within the responding population.
    Usually when presented with a choice one has options; to decide to opt for or against such a choice but in general elections (in many countries) you aren't given that option....this has always seemed a wee bit odd to me....
     
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    it would be nice to have preferential voting, but we don't
     
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    I am tired of the BS litany of pictures, posted on this site repeatedly, which accuse Trump of causing Covid and killing George Floyd. He did neither. If you want to blame Trump for something, blame him for something for which he was responsible.
     
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    Meh. Vast majority of Dem voters don't get, or expect to get, any "free stuff". They work, pay their taxes and live their lives like everyone else. They believe in things like universal healthcare, and are willing to pay more in taxes to get it. Its not free.
     
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    Off course Afghan has the possibility of better life. But that possibility must come within and not by military might of USA. You often speak about US presence in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. Citizens of these countries wanted to rebuild their nation after the war, and they welcomed assistance from the US. They didn’t wear suicide vast and blew themselves up in “Girl’s school’ or blew up restaurant so they can kill 1-2 Americans. Many Afghanis want a better life, want to move forward and build a better nation, but that will not happen until majority of them desire the same thing.

    From your past post I know you worked for State department and other federal agency overseas and you have seen COUP where Military General killed President and his entire family to take power, killed thousands of opposition and bleed the street with her own citizen.

    Does America needs to get to that point , so we can see the real coup? Yes, compare to some of the coup in Africa or Pakistan, J6 is a walk in the park. But we are not comparing J6 with “coup in Bangladesh” ( 29 attempt since 1971), we are comparing j6 with 250 years American democracy and transition of power.

    If you think j6 is just another protest, you are blinded by partisan politics.
     
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    Democrat had another win last night.

    Michigan Democrats win special elections to regain full control of state government | AP News

    This list just keeps growing.

    Democrats won 8 consecutive years – 20017,2018,2019,2020,2021,2022,2023 and 2024


    Democrats won special election in 2017.

    Democrats won Mid-term election in 2018.

    Democrats won Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2019

    Democrats won Presidential election in 2020.

    Democrats won special election in 2021 and won 2 Senate positions in GA.

    Democrats won anti-abortion law in KS AUG 2022.

    Democrats won Senate and two GOV in mid-term 2022 election. Red wave became oh well.

    Democrats won special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin , Liberal judge won state wide election .

    Democrats won special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023

    Democrats won Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2023

    Democrats won banning abortion in Ohio in NOV 2023

    Democrats won entire Virginia legislative branch in NOV 2023.

    Democrats won special election in Feb 2024 in NY.

    Democrats won special election in Michigan April 2024, regain full control of state government.


    Good luck GOP in November.
     
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    Got it. Biden is so bad that he is same as the guy who says “ I want to be dictator on day one”.
     
  16. Endeavor

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    The seething hatred of the religious right didn’t start with American liberals. It started 2000 years ago by Jewish religious leader.

    The most interesting but funny thing about Evangelical American is that all day long they claim they are persecuted by liberals, they are hated by liberals, they have no rights to practice their religious, they need freedom to practice their religion.

    Did they ever read the Bible? I know they go to church, but does pastor ever preach from Bible to them?

    Jesus Christ , the Son of God, the author of Christianity was killed because of his faith by the government. Jesus said “ if you follow me, the world will hate you”. Jesus said “ if you are persecuted in my name, rejoice and give thanks, they are not persecuting you but they are persecuting me”.

    The so-called Christian wants freedom, rights, power to worship Jesus. What they don’t know that Jesus left haven and godhood and became man and walked all the way to cross. If they want freedom and power to practice their religion then they chose the wrong faith. They should convert to Islam.
     
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    It’s not that Biden is a bad guy, as an individual he is more liked than Trump. Here - Biden Bests Trump on Likability; Trump Seen as Better Leader

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/643100...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

    It simple as the Gallup article/poll shows, Biden is more likeable as an individual, a person. Trump is seen better at managing government, is a strong leaders and displaying good judgement in a crisis. Biden leads in cares about people like you and is honest and trustworthy.

    With Biden, it’s all about his job performance. Overall job performance, 40% approval, on Biden’s handling of most other issues, well below 40% approval.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

    The question becomes, do the voters vote on their dislike of the obnoxious, uncouth, rude individual named Trump with all his legal problems or do they on how they see Biden’s lousy job performance. Fact is most Americans don’t want Biden reelected and at the same time don’t want Trump to regain the white house. Both are disliked and both unwanted to be the next president by most Americans. This is something democrats can’t fathom, see or acknowledge. To them this election is all about Trump, to most Americans this election is about both Biden and Trump. That is something else they can’t see, fathom or acknowledge.
     
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    Its what the victim mentality does to people. Yes, the Bible teaches Christians will be persecuted, but that is not currently happening in the Western world. It has happened in places like China, where Christianity was banned, and it will probably happen elsewhere, its its absurd to claim its happening now in US.
     
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    wow

    I will vote for Biden despite I do not agree with many of the democrats policies..

    and unlike trump and the GOP...at least the democrats have policies ..

    the ONLY policy of the GOP is "if the democrats want it, then we must oppose it"

    trump is a scumbag...biden is a decent man..

    claiming the democrats want free stuff is like claiming immigrants walk 2000 miles for a free stuff

    immigrants are coming here looking for the opportunity to take care of themselves

    ask any immigrant what they want..99% will say they want a JOB!!

    can anyone imagine how bad things must be in a place to make a person walk 2000 miles in hopes of a better life??

    how many amercians would walk halfway across the country for free stuff??

    the republicans are the ones that want free stuff..but in forms of tax cuts..

    my guess is many new boats and vacation homes were purchased after the trump tax cuts

    to quote Liz Cheney

    the country can withstand 4 years of democrats policy

    but it cannot withstand 4 years of a criminal in the Whitehouse
     
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    Thanks for the link. I'll take a look to see if it is a worthwhile resource.

    I am well aware of both of these individuals. I have not followed Mark Alias since the 2020 election cases. His updates on the election lawsuits post-election were valuable though. BTC, on the other hand, I do not feel provides very perceptive analysis. Mostly he comes off as a complete ideologue. At the moment I do follow Glenn Kirschner's updates, as he provides short but solid legal analysis, despite his overt bias. I would say Lawfare provides significantly better analysis and is far less biased, but they tend to have very long articles and podcasts.
     
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    1st paragraph - Nope. Regime change has been the plan since the initial 2014 invasion. The Afghanistan withdrawal is unrelated. Merely a right-wing talking point. The world doesn't all revolve around US politics. Trump losing reelection (and thus being unable to pull the US out of NATO), Zelenskyy winning the 2019 election, Putin's own sagging poll numbers. These are all far more relevant factors leading up to the invasion.

    2nd paragraph - Yes, those "complaints". They are as valid as the justification that he's invading Ukraine to protect the Russian speakers from the Nazi government headed by a Jew. What Putin is more worried about is how the Ukrainian revolution toppled his puppet regime. It's why he conducted the initial invasion in 2014, right after it happened. He can't have a functioning democracy right on his border that also contains a lot of travel and mixing with his own people. So he comes up with these justifications like NATO encroachment, as if NATO would ever want a war with a nuclear armed Russia. Here's a question to ask yourself: why do you believe Putin's own words in his justifications?
     
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    Yes. Trump and Biden share the dishonor.
     
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    As you wish.
     
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    Polls are meaningless. People say one thing to media/polls worker and then vote differently. If polls were right we would have President H Clinton now.

    You said you will not vote for either of them because they are both bad. So my question to you, you think Biden’s job performance is so bad that you are ok with Trump who wants to be “ dictator for one day”?
     
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    Since he has no chance to win I might vote for him just for the satisfaction of voting against the other two.
     
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