Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

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  1. Mitty

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    Sigh!!!
    And just more attacking the messenger and not addressing the message.
     
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    IOW you know nothing about science?
     
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    So what evidence do you have that there have been recent increases in solar activity and there hasn't been increases in atmospheric CO2 from human activity?
     
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    Since you haven't read anything so far I'm not sure this will do any good, but I live in hope.
    For the absence of increases in atmospheric CO2 from human activity this has already been cited.
    Net Isotopic Signature of Atmospheric CO 2 Sources and ...
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    by D Koutsoyiannis · 2024 — ... 2024 / Accepted: 29 February 2024 / Published: 14 March 2024 ... Koutsoyiannis et al. [3,4,5] provided evidence ... Koutsoyiannis et al. [5] and


    For the Sun we have an entire thread here.
    The Sun-Climate Effect

     
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    So what was the "internationally respected university" where you "actually studied science, including planetary physics", and do you do your research in planetary physics or atmospheric physics?

    FYI I did my PhD in plant physiology at Latrobe University in the 1970's.
    Alas I didn't study "planetary physics" when I did my undergraduate degree in agriculture before starting my plant physiology research on fruit crops, but we did study the meteorological effects on agriculture.
     
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    That idea is predicated on climate scientists not knowing about the sun.

    And, THAT is YOUR error.
     
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    No, economics.
    There's one of your errors: use of the definite article indicates you are seeking a single cause of a complex phenomenon.
    "Recent" as in the last two years following several years of cooling, or "recent" as in since the coldest 500-year period in the last 10,000 years, or "recent" as in since the last Ice Age? Three different constellations of causes.
    Why would I rule out the most likely cause?
    <sigh> I merely pointed out that the carbon in the missing organic material had to go somewhere. Its contribution to global warming is certainly minimal.
    It would promote plant growth and drought resistance. It wouldn't reduce global warming, which is a non-problem anyway.
     
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    Nope.

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

    And, THAT is YOUR error.
     
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    What message would that be?
     
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    Please identify these "several years of cooling".
     
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    :lol: I know incomparably more about it than you, having studied mostly math, but also physics, chemistry, genetics, planetary physics (including atmospheric physics) and astronomy at an internationally respected university. You have self-evidently never studied science at higher than high school level, and did not do well in that.
     
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    You'll have to try harder than to make up crap about me.
     
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    The second figure shows a visually obvious cooling trend from 2016-2022:

    https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/
     
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    It wasn't about you.
     
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    Already refuted multiple times.
     
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    I don't feed stalkers, and I don't do research in those fields.
    Yeah, sure you did. That must be why you have not the slightest acquaintance with scientific reasoning or methodology.
    Did you learn anything about the effect of CO2 on plant growth?
     
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    IOW you know nothing about science.
     
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    IOW you know nothing about science and scientific methodology.
     
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    IOW you know nothing about science and scientific methodology.
     
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    IOW you know nothing about science and science methodology.
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    IOW you don't have any evidence to support your claims and you can't tell us anything about your "internationally respected university" and whether it is just a home schooled "internationally respected university".

    And which year are you doing now in your "internationally respected university" and what are you studying?
     
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    What's clear is that the overall trend is warming - by a wide margin.

    The fact that there are short periods where temperature doesn't increase is NOT an indication of a reversal of any trend.

    You claim to have studied some science - in which case you're well aware that expecting a smooth increased in world temperature is not something that anyone would EVER expect. There are various cycles that include the sun, the Nina cycle, etc. that easily explain the minor wobbles in the warming cycles as well as the cooling period before our current regime.
     
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    No. IOW, I know far more about it than you.
     
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    :lol: The kettle calling the snow black...
     

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