Christianity and our Nation.

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    There are no animals becoming human, regardless the picture book of drawings as an example if it were real
    Drawings, really? Would you like me to draw a picture of God to show that he is real? You make it sound like the nature of evolution leaves itself behind. And that life is an unrepeatable glopita, or an ocean with one wave. If nature produced men from animals, it would still be producing men from animals. But it isn't. Nowhere are there fractional human/animals in testimony of any time span of evolution, neither long nor short. Nada. There is no tangible connection between mankind and old bones found in the earth. Science assumes the connection without establishing it. Who is to say that the earth isn't a recycled old planet with remnants of former life on it. That the former and present inhabitants share a common bond in the substance of the earth or perhaps creation by the same hand, does not mean that the present springs or evolves from the past. Evolution ignores a divine hand and sees what it wants to see. It ignores it because God isn't scientifically perceptible or measurable. And men ignore it because it doesn't suit their foregone conclusions. So they zoom past it like hounds on a hot scent.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Taxation is stealing in our system of government. We don't enslave a steel worker or Construction Contractor by taking his tax dollars to pay for another's education that they may not even use. Perhaps you have us confused with other blatantly socialistic systems. Taxes under our design must benefit all. Biden illegally got away with buying "student votes" and ignoring SCOTUS rulings.

    What a line of crap! Laken's murderer entered the country under the auspice of Open Border Joe. That is a fact. He was also arrested and released under Joe's program.

    Pass a bill that is "catch and release" for 5000 a day? You think that is reasonable? They didn't need more money, the materials are there to finish the wall. Reestablish the executive orders Biden rescinded when he took office. Doesn't cost a dime and doesn't hire more bureaucrats. Grow government and silence the people.....it's what dems are all about.

    Eddie, pardon my French but it just seems you are only a few steps behind those that chant "Death to America". Incrementally the left has done everything it can to destroy the structure of America. From castrating our young boys who suffer Gender Dysphoria, to promoting men in women's sports. I know you want no mention of God in America.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How did all this supposedly happen from a single cell with no eyes or ears to hear? You cannot out create God. By the way......get your own matter when creating.
     
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    The diagram shows what has been found - how humans evolved from precursor species that are not human.

    The evidence supporting this family tree is extensive, and doesn't fit in a post. Plus, future findings might cause changes to the tree. But, it is still going to be a similar tree.

    Remember that evolution is not something created by science. It is the result of extensive investigations on how nature works. The basic finding is that changes happen during procreation. And the success or failure of progeny is a selection process - over time including positive changes while negative changes lose out. This has been found sufficient to answer for the wide range of life forms on Earth. It is a sufficient answer. It doesn't require a search for more active contributions in order to answer for the life forms found throughout history. Of course, major investigation is constantly ongoing, as evolution is currently a foundation of ALL biological sciences - something that is too important to stop investigating.

    It is true that God and God's actions concerning our physical universe can not be detected by science. But, in the case of the natural process of evolution there isn't a justification for guessing that some other force is required.
     
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    Yes - this is a tiny fragment of the full tree of life.

    Eyes have developed along different evolutionary branches. Octopi have eyes that don't share our eye design.

    One might guess that it would be a significant advantage for any ancient life form to detect light. It would allow squiggly things to know when to swim fast.

    As for a god of the design of Christianity could do absolutely anything. Science can't progress under the assumption that "god did it", as that answer is equally applicable to absolutely anything we witness.

    Maybe there is no gravity. Instead, Got did it. He just moves stuff around in a regular way that looks to us like gravity. Science can't disprove that idea.
     
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    Yes - this is a tiny fragment of the full tree of life.

    Eyes have developed along different evolutionary branches. Octopi have eyes that don't share our design, for example.
     
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    Then you must ask yourself, how does evolution always move forward to great accomplishments? I can understand natural selection, which also often entails the complete extinction of a species, but what sends the signal that there is a need to develop eyes for instance along with a whole list of complicated organs? It would seem there is a "natural order" to existence and that being said, why not thousands of years instead of billions times billions? Run the odds sometime of happenstance to everything. I'm not that smart, but my finite experience and logic rules against "happenstance".
     
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    Very well done ignoring the factual points I laid out because you know I'm right and it's irrefutable that Republicans welcome illegals by screaming 'open borders,' want cheap labor, want their votes that have been trending Republican, and refuse to support any bill to address the issue if it would help Democrats.

    And Republicans have proven they want 'death to America' as they support our enemies such as Russia and attack our Capitol. Meanwhile, to cover all this up, you manufacture issues like claiming Democrats responsible for castrating boys and promoting men in women's sports but can't name a SINGLE law they passed (or even proposed) to this. All you can do is spout QAnon nonsense and lies without a shred of evidence.
     
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    Well you could bolster a little integrity at least be addressing Laken's murderer and his previous re entry into society after additional crimes by the policies of open border Joe.
     
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    Although you didn't address a single one of mine, I did address Laken's murder by listing out at least four Republican policies and behavior that were responsible for it.
     
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    Natural selection isn't happenstance.

    Evolution doesn't always "move forward to great accomplishments". It also creates species that turn out to be dead ends for any of a variety of reasons.

    Evolution works pretty rapidly when it comes to modifications like bird beak shape, moth coloring, fruit fly changes, etc.

    Evolution is advantaged by having isolated populations - like the Galapagos Islands or moths in a city. Evolution of complex animals such as humans is slower, plus we travel all over the world, trading our dna everywhere we go - not great for evolution.

    Feel free to read up on how evolution works. There are texts aimed at high school through advanced degrees. There are sites like wiki. There is coursework that is public, created by universities.
     
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    Evolution is counter intuitive in that it is unrepeatable when everything in nature is repetitive. In other words, the earth should be filled with fractional human animals in testimony of evolution. But it isn't. There are just humans and animals. So the idea that the evolution of man is a one shot deal is like saying that an eternal omnipotent God only has this one earth and one mankind. It is highly egocentric.
     
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    Well, I don't see your comment about being unrepeatable as applying to evolution.

    There are huge numbers of animals. Humans are one of those.

    As I posted with the tree of humanoids, there have been significant numbers of distinct animals in that general family. It's not a "one shot deal", though modern humans have survived when so many others (Neanderthals, etc.) have not - though interbreeding has left humans with Neanderthals in our DNA.

    There are known to be other Earths around other stars. They are far enough away for us not to be able to detect what they have.

    Also, humans have not stopped evolving. We could look substantially different in another million years - should we be smart enough to survive that long! There could even be other human like animals besides ourselves, though we can't tolerate people of different skin color and religion, and we would probably slaughter them as they started to appear. Did our own type of humans tolerate Neanderthals??
     
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    Nature is repetitive. Were the evolution of mankind true, the earth would be teeming with animals becoming human. It isn't. There are only humans and animals or all else but humans. We are born, live, and die as humans. Every generation of humans have been humans as far back as is known, humans and animals, with no in between creatures or beings in any stage of evolutionary development towards being human.
     
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    Well, humans came from their parents, in a line about 6 million years long. Some animal a little bit like an ape is where human evolution could be said to begin. One can see that in the tree of human evolution I posted earlier.

    That precursor from 6 million years ago also evolved from some earlier animal - all the way back to the advent of life, 3.7 Billion years ago. All along the way there were divisions that gradually evolved in different directions to make different life forms we see evidence of today - the family of cats, etc.

    Evolution doesn't allow for a bear (or some other animal) to become a human - it only allows the gradual improvement of a species. Bears can become "better" bears and they came from distant relatives that were less great as bears.
     
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    Well, whatever mankind has supposedly evolved from has ceased. It is a one shot deal or there would be half humans and quarter humans and so on. That there aren't, is contrary to the repetitive nature of nature. So evolution doesn't plug in, and is a law unto itself. I think it's a hastily contrived concept that closes its eyes to family, friends, and an eight thousand year span of human civilization. Religion aside, I have a problem with that.
     
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    Natural selection is a different case than evolution. It works very fast, as in the case of the Galapagos islands. Bird generations are short ad they reflect what is required for survival their beaks adapt to available food sources dependent on climate. That is a far cry from a single cell developing a pair of kidney's or a gall bladder. Those things do not "evolve".
     
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    Natural selection is a key part of evolution.

    As reproduction produces differences in beak shape/size, natural selection favors those that have better access to food/protection/etc.

    Evolution can work faster in species where generations are shorter. Also, the Galapagos Islands are isolated, so requirements for succeeding on those islands are imposed severely and aren't the same as life on the mainland.

    Some species of mammals have gallbladders and others do not. It has to do with what is needed for digestion. Mammals that graze, like deer, don't need more bile than what is constantly produced by the liver. They don't have gallbladders.

    If a human loses their gallbladder, they need to change their diet, leaving out fatty foods, for one example. Big meals of fatty foods are a significant problem. The constant flow of bile from the liver is not enough. We came from evolutionary lines of mammals that included predation in their diets - meaning surges of fatty foods when available. That was made possible by evolving gallbladders.
     
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    You've made the case for intelligent design I believe.
     
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    There is no deficiency in evolution that would require some supernatural interference.
     
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    I suppose matter and space "evolved" out of nothing? Or is it our thought processes are just imagination that "evolved"? Do we just imagine our emotions and desires but in reality they don't exist? Is our existence, or supposed existence without any scientific purpose until man unravels every mystery void of God?
     
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    Everything in nature is on the move and repetitive. The solar system revolves around the sun always. The earth spins always. The seasons unfold year in and out. Rivers flow constantly. Everything brings forth seed after its own kind always. The oceans waves lap the beach in continuity. Even ice ages repeat. Nature is repetitive in character. The theory of the evolution of mankind though is a one shot deal. It begat man and that is that. There are no fractional humans as a testimony to the process. Nature quit. This singularity is contrary to the repetitive character of nature. And so the theory is inconsistent with its supposed origin in nature. That's because it's a graceless contrivance by man. Those who say that man invented the God of creation have themselves invented the theory of the evolution of man as a substitute for God, to discredit his handiwork, so as to place their trust in themselves and science. The theory of the evolution of mankind has no place in reason, nature, or God. It is a law unto itself, good for nothing but speculation and entertainment, such as can Batman beat Superman.
     
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    The Enlightenment, the philosophy of the writers of the DOI and the Constitution, has...at it's very core...the rejection of the idea of "divine knowledge". Nothing comes from faith...all knowledge...ALL knowledge is the result of reason.

    NOTHING in the DOI or the Constitution requires "faith" or is dependent on "faith"
     
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    Just posting that you have no idea of how evolution works.
     
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    Evolution does not apply to "matter or space"
     

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