What is the primary reason you support Biden?

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  1. Jack Hays

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    That's nonsense.

    ". . . Recall how Biden campaigned. He presented himself as a reassuring grandfather of the nation who would restore calm and decency to the US government, a steadying presence who believed in the old-fashioned virtue of quiet competence. He would not be exciting; he would not light up social media. When the right claimed he was a radical socialist, the charge did not stick – because Biden had been around for 50 years and people could see with their own eyes that he was a traditional moderate. That view was helpfully reinforced by those leftists who had long written Biden off as a dull, decrepit centrist, barely fit to shine the shoes of progressive favourites such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    But look at him now. Two-thirds into its first 100 days, and the Biden presidency has easily secured the right to be described as radical. Usually sober observers of the White House are going further: just two months after Biden took the oath, they are branding him a transformational president. The comparisons to Franklin D Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson have already begun. And Biden is encouraging them. Earlier this month, he sat for two hours with a group of presidential historians, pressing them hard on how FDR and LBJ had moved swiftly to make changes so profound and systemic they endure to this day. At the Thursday press conference, Biden made explicit the scale of his ambition. “I want to change the paradigm,” he said, three times. . . ."
    Joe Biden is giving left parties the world over a masterclass ...
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    The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › mar

    Mar 26, 2021 — He ran as a moderate, but is governing as a transforming radical. That's not a paradox, says Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland.
     
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    This is where the issue with GOP. They just want to be against Liberal.

    In my post #142, I never said GOP has to agree with “ Green new Deal”. I said, GOP needs to accept the fact that climate change is real and come up with their own solution. Yet you went on and on about AOC and green new deal. Does conservative have solution for climate change or deny climate change? I get you think AOC’s policy and green new deal is bad, but what is conservative solution?

    Again, in my post I never said GOP must pay for student loan. All I have said “ do you agree that today collage tuition is high” . If you do, what is conservative solution to make it affordable so average American can get higher education?

    It seem like GOP has no solution for climate change ( except they want to deny it) , GOP has no solution that middle class student can’t get a higher education because 4 years collage cost $400K, GOP has no solution that before Obama care 40 million Americans were uninsured.

    But complain about Biden buy out student. No wonder majority American reject conservatism. As I have posted in my #142, there are fundamental problem in GOP. They have no solution for 21st century problem. they think it is 1969 and communist youth is protesting Vietnam war.
     
  3. JohnHamilton

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    The solution to the price of college is to stop feeding the pig. Colleges have been made fat by the government's open checkbook. As long as the government keeps feeding it, the pigs will continue to gorge themselves on government money. If the colleges were forced to eat some of the debt, they might want to improve their operations and keep the cost of college reasonable.

    Of the Democrats want to feed the colleges, because most of them have been far left indoctrination centers.
     
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    And the list of policies he implemented which are radical? Still waiting.

    Or do you think it is radical to sit for two hours with historian?
     
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    So what policy GOP implemented in past 30 years to reduce collage tuition?
     
  6. Jack Hays

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    His "environmental justice" policies alone are sufficient to disqualify him.
    The Big Squeeze: How Biden's Environmental Justice ...
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    https://manhattan.institute › article › how-bidens-environ...

    Sep 7, 2023 — From its first week in office, the Biden administration has described “environmental justice” as one its top priorities.
     
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    I don't think that GOP has done a damn thing about it. There were loans, and people were expected to repay them. Now that everyone is entitled to welfare, except for those work, earn an honest living and pay their honest debts, it's become an issue.

    Maybe Biden will start paying off mortgages for delinquent borrowers. That will be tougher since it almost pulled down the economy in 2008, but since we can now create unlimited amounts of money in thin air, it's now a possibility.
     
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    Do you believe our climate is changing?
     
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    The climate is always changing. I do not believe there is a climate crisis or significant human influence on climate.
     
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    GOP didn’t do anything about high cost of education.

    How about climate ? or GOP thinks , climate is fine and nothing to worry about.
     
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    Very good answer.

    Now , let me go back to 2024. My time travel vehicle doesn’t like to stay in 1924 too long.
     
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    Main reason? I want to promote liberal policies that I believe are correct. Biden isn't that liberal, but he is compared to those Trump is trying to make happy. Other reasons? He's more normal, respectable and rational than Trump. He is sufficiently humble to listen to experts and is able to put the country before his own ego.
     
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    lol, not at all. Nothing is free, it's just a matter of different priorities and different senses of fairness. Upper middle classed and even rich people can be democrats too. They're not doing it for free stuff at all.

    Might there be a few dumb people who think like you say? Sure. Might there be a few dumb people who vote republican just because they hate trans or gay or brown? Sure. Stop playing games and pretending your point is valid. You know better... I think.
     
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    No, the hippies turned into the Republican base.

    They act the same way now as they did then. They were selfish and entitled back then, and they still are.
     
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    I know lots of such rich folks-I went to Yale with a bunch of them

    1) many hate the religious right-many of my Jewish friends vote Democrat based on decades old grievances against "rich wasps" who didn't let their great grandfather into their law firm or country club

    2) Many homosexuals, lesbians and trans hate the GOP's religious right wing. same with the libertine Hollywood types who tire of being called "sinners" by the bible thumpers

    3) power hungry rich want a bigger and more controlling government

    4) globalists want to destroy American Primacy-they see the GOP as an obstacle to their plans
     
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    I've voted Democrat my whole life. I will not be voting for Biden or the Democrats this time. I'm finally switching to Trump. Trump did a great job during his first term and the Democrats have failed miserably. There is just no way I can vote for any Democrats with all the nonsense going on. By nonsense I mean attacking Trump with the DOJ, weaponizing the legal system, border, wacky education policies, foreign affairs, economics failures (move this WAY up on the list), and incompetence in general. I was a diehard Dem, but they finally broke through my bias. They've just gone so far off the deep-end I don't recognize myself in them.
     
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    Biden is seasoned, he is intelligent, he is patient, he knows policy, he has both extensive legislative and executive experience, he is respected all over the world stage, he has experienced and well-honed foreign-policy "chops", he was able to box through more than 80% of the agenda he promised the American people before the 2020 election since becoming elected despite MAGA resistance all over the place - for instance, the infrastructure package that Trump promised but yet never delivered, also the CHIPs act, also the needed funding for our key democratic allies like Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel. Also, he beat ******* Trump by +7.1 million votes and by +74 electors in a fair-and-square election in 2020, he led the USA through the end of pandemic.

    And Joe Biden is a real human being who actually loves his country, who possesses empathy and honesty.

    What Joe Biden has never done, for instance, was to **** a porn star or a model behind his wife's back while she was carrying his last son to term and then pay off said porn-star and model for their silence in the middle of a presidential campaign by illegally funneling campaign funds to them through his then-attorney. Also, Joe Biden never raped a woman at Bergdorf's nor did he ever repeatedly defame her, nor does he have to pay such a woman 83.3 million dollars in damages. Also, Joe Biden never committed business fraud in a city like, say, NYC, never landed himself in civil court over such misdeeds and does not have to pay NY 470 dollars as punishment. Joe Biden has never been indicted, never had to pay a bond, has never been legally classified as a sexual offender. Also, Joe Biden has never been kicked off of social media for telling so many lies that it was too much even for Conservative forum owners. Also, Joe Biden has never threatened ordinary Americans and their lives on social media (like, say, Ruby Freeman), he has never threatened judges, those judges spouses or court aides, prosecutors or prosecutors' families, he has never intimidated potential jurors. Joe Biden has never instructed his party in the Congress to deliberately torpedo legislation that would shore-up border security or help our allies.

    In other words, duly elected President Joseph Robinette Biden is everything that Donald Trump will never be.

    Joe Biden gets my enthusiastic vote. And until the Republican Party stops devolving into the Trump Nazi-Party, I will never ever again even consider a Republican for any office, not even for dog-catcher.
     
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    The "Climate Change crisis" is a hoax that was created to give unlimited power to the Federal Government. The government pays for surveys that cook the books, literally, to support the hoax.

    You may now have your foux outrage hissy fit for having read a post from a "climate denier."
     
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    There must be two Joe Bidens. The one I see doesn't give a damn about the country, has dementia, scoops up money from the public offices he has held, and can barely speak in full sentences with a teleprompter. Without a teleprompter, he is incoherent.

    If he gave a damn about the country and his fellow citizens, he would do something about the border. He doesn't care.
     
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    this is some of the best comedy I have seen on this board. Have of this post is pure fiction (Trump has never been convicted of rape for example) . Biden is a senile POS who is a pawn for forces that hate America
     
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    Yes, he was. The judge labeled it sexual abuse, but it is one and the same.

    I know, I know, dealing with reality is hard for some people.

    therefore, I wish you all the best.
     
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    This is the beauty of our system. We can disagree without being disagreeable. It may very well be that you see Joe Biden in that way and it is your right to sense as you wish to sense. I also respect your right to feel as you do. However, I feel very differently and I do notice that you respected my opinion by not attacking me. Progress, young jedi, progress!
     
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    I’d say you’re correct. When asked this question of those who say they support and will vote for Biden - Would you say you are mostly voting FOR Joe Biden or AGAINST Donald Trump? 47% say for Biden, 51% against Trump.

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_HqmM53D.pdf

    Which one could deduce that half of Biden’s supporters aren’t really for Biden or his reelection, they are against Trump, to deny him another term in the white house. That half could care less if Biden wins or loses as long as Trump loses. I call those voters who just vote against a candidate, not for any candidate as anti-voters. They don’t care who wins as long as the candidate they’re voting against loses. This shouldn’t be a surprise that half of Biden’s support comes from anti-voters, those voting solely against Trump. In 2020 Biden won the anti-voters 68-30 over Trump. It may come as a shock to know that in 2020 among voters who voted for a candidate because they want that candidate to win, Trump won that group over Biden 53-46.

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

    In the end, it really doesn’t matter if one is voting for a candidate because one really wants that candidate to win, to be the next president or if one is just voting against a candidate while not caring who wins and becomes the next president, just as long as the candidate one is voting against loses. Both types of votes count the same. Only the reason for casting that vote is different.

    Which could explain why Biden has been mired at 40% overall job performance for most of his entire first term, give or take a point up or down. Biden is president only because he was the candidate that people least wanted to lose, not win, but least wanted to lose in 2020.
     
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    Yes , I totally agree with you

    In 1896, Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first predicted that changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.

    After much research scientist found that Scvante was an agent of liberal from Silicon Vally who wrote the paper so US Federal government have ultimate power.

    In 1938, Guy Callendar connected carbon dioxide increases in Earth's atmosphere to global warming. Guy Callendar may be Canadian nationality but liberals from NYC funded his research , so US Federal government can have ultimate power.


    p.s. thank you QANNA for sending me all these information which liberals wanted to hide from internet.
     
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    I wish people like you actually understood the difference between a civil finding where 50.05 percent is needed versus guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal matter
     

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