How many Lies do ProVaxers need to hear before they admit the Vax is a hoax?

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  1. Nathan-D

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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Might you elaborate on how critical thinking led you to taking the shot?
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    That's not quite what I said. I received the shot about as early it was available as part of a requirement for my job. At that point it had more to do with expectations placed upon me as well as my version of "trust" in the system. I don't fully believe in trust, ever, but there was no cause to distrust.

    Later, I reviewed mortality data for multiple countries that have reliable data (not India, e.g.), largely Canda, US, and the UK. What I found there was that mortality associated with the covid vaccine was extremely rare, on the order of 1 in 1,000,000 (and that's including the more dangerous brands like J&J) and that the mechanisms of this rare mortality were an immune reaction to viral parts - things you would also see with the viral infection, but with fewer and less likely complications than the actual viral infection. This is exactly what one would expect from an mRNA vaccine mechanistically. The mortality data for symptomatic covid ranged from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 6, depending upon age, comorbidities, and strain. The vaccine did not fully stop transmission (above 90% in the original pandemic strain, though), but it overall reduced transmission, and more importantly severity of disease. Thinking of these numbers, it becomes clear that for anybody, the vaccine was a net reduction in risk of mortality. But this was information for the pandemic. Since then the virus continued to change without a commensurate change in the vaccine, increased natural and vaccine/booster immunity became widespread, and mortality continued to decrease. This decreases the benefit of continued vaccination, though neither risks nor benefits are particularly large for most people.

    I reviewed concerns that vaccine skeptics brought up, but I found their sources of data and reasoning to be unreliable/incorrect.
     
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    Yes.

    "All this info" comes from one website, Global Research (Centre for Research on Globalization)

    This website is run by Michel Chossudovsky

    The wikipedia entry on Chossudovsky and his website has this to say

    In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by information warfare specialists at NATO’s Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (STRATCOM) of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda. A report by the U.S. State Department in August 2020 accused the website of being a proxy for a Russian disinformation campaign.

    https://web.archive.org/web/2017111...for-spreading-disinformation/article37015521/
     
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    I'm sorry you were extorted by your employer to take a bioweapon into your body. I have several airline friends in the same boat. Truly, I sympathize with you and others. My nephew was also extorted by the US Army. He was at that stage nearing the 30 year mark and would have lost all that time regarding retirement funds.

    Have you kept up with the accumulating data regarding adverse events including death? Or are you still of the belief that the shots are what Pharma and Government said they were in the early time?

    I stopped counting 2 years ago the number of friends and acquaintances who've died from it. 15+ The number of those who haven't died but are wounded from the shots is about the same. Most folks would rather not talk about it.
     
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    A man who had a severe adverse health effect in Australia sued his employer who mandated vaccination and won.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    If the US judiciary and law were not so corrupted by giving immunity to Pharma for promoting bioweapons, we might see the same thing happen here.
     
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    One of the first things in the US pandemic response was a “no liability” edict.
     
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    It sounds like you only look at mainstream* stuff. Do Google searches on "Douglas Macgregor, Ukraine" and "Scott Ritter, Ukraine" to see the other side. Maybe Michel Chossudovsky is right.


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798
     
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    Anti-vax conspiracy theorists are still struggling to think critically, I see.
     
  14. Kokomojojo

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    Yes we know you are provax, everything is fine go back to sleep, feel good, be happy!

    Just do everything the government says!



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    Lets see the red line is the vaxed deaths and the blue line is the unvaxed deaths and the red line is much higher then the blue line.

    Totally "safe and effective"! Wow!
     
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    Yes. I will continue going with science. Sorry that offends your conspiracy garbage.
     
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    Bad science can kill you. The historical record is full of bad science killing people.
     
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    Sure. It is also full of anti-science folk getting people killed, particularly anti-vaxxers.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who has died as the result of not being vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines? Most of the people dying now of covid complications have been vaccinated and boosted multiple times.
     
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    The idea that more people have died from being vaccinated than from not being vaccinated is objectively insane.
     
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    It all depends on what age group a person is in and if they have one or more of the CDC listed preconditions which makes one at high risk to the complications of covid.
     
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    Chossudovsky is usually right on the money. NATO and the west are very much against truth speakers and independent thinkers.
     

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