Israel as Superpower

Israel's existence has not been in question.

Yes, they fired rockets as their part in the war between Israel and Gaza.

When has it ever been the case that only one side in a war is allowed to use munitions?

 

You’re conflating the word with right exist.
The war is what Hamas makes, not Israel p. The PLO has the idea that everytime they attack, they lose the land they used as a base of operation. That’s why the west bank has Israel settlers.

 

You're making wild assumptions about this idea that Israel would negotiate ANYTHING related to Palestine.

They have never been willing to do that - not even during the Bush presidency or any time since.

Your ideas for peace are not accepted by anyone. Gaza and West Bank comprise Palestine. That's who lives there. They are the ones to be negotiated with.


You're last sentence is YOU trying to make up CRAP about ME.

I'm tired of that from you. Be serious or please go away.

 

You're going to have to try to clear up what you are concerned about.

The war on Gaza is ISRAEL'S war. They installed the siege. They have refused all negotiation. They hare refused ceasefire of Hamas on the grounds that Israel does not want ceasefires to lead to peace - they want ceasefires to lead to more Israeli war - as Israel states.

Essentially zero Israeli civilians are being killed. My guess is that you haven't bothered to look at Israel's records of damage due to rockets from Palestine. You need to be more serious than that.



The leadership of Palestine and related groups have been meeting in Moscow to work on governance and rebuilding for after the war.

 

This is just false - sorry.

The siege is war and Israel has maintained that for decades.

There is nothing that Gaza has been able to do about that.

Your comment on West Bank is just plain ridiculous. The "Wall" was NOT drawn and redrawn and redrawn for defensive purposes.

That "Wall" goes up river valleys to capture the best farm land. It is NOT drawn to express defensive concern.

Besides, President Abbas has been fully focused on nonviolence and resolution through negotiation. He has cooperated with the IDF - which has appreciated that cooperation to the extent of breaking original law in order to allow Abbas weapons, as required for enforcing peace.

Israel has been fully focused on stealing land and bulldozing the homes of Palestinians.

The amazing thing here is that Abbas has worked to gain negotiations WHILE ISRAEL STEALS WEST BANK PROPERTY.

 

The tunnels from Egypt are there as an attempt to foil the siege.

Obviously, they address almost NONE of the major problems the siege imposes.

 

You've said this before.

And, I've pointed out that your statement is preposterous.

 

Speculation

 

You can “ point out “ all you want, you’re wrong.
War is hell. Hamas started an all out war. Indiscriminately killing Israeli women, children…taking hostages. Followed by a mob of Palestinian thugs. The war continues….surrender the leadership.
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Guessing and rambling.

 

Where did you get the idea that Hamas did not start an all out war of killing. You’re excusing hamas…?

 

All you're doing is speculation aka gossip. You bring no hard evidence to any of your comments, it's just weak onions.

 

It's rude to answer a question with a question, that's just poor etiquette like chewing and talking.

 

Nobody has ever excused Hamas. But what Hamas did does not justify the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents who had nothing to do with the attack, any more than the average US citizen has anything to do with an attack the US makes on another nation.

 

It’s an all out war with a neighbor intent on eliminating Israel from existence. What part of all out war don’t you understand….if Iran could smuggle a nuke into Gaza, the citizenry of Gaza would help hamas set it off. You’ve never been to war ? It’s brutality. When Germany crossed the border in ww2 and killed any Frenchman or Polish citizen who moved, Guess what we did in Germany and Japan when they refused to surrender….take a wild guess.

 

All the good citizens of Gaza have to do, is turn Hamas soldiers in instead of helping them. .

 

Let’s be clear, Hamas has as high as over 1/2 support among the Palestinians of Gaza….. if any war time polls can be accurate.

 

Yes I've been to war, 4 deployments as an infantryman in Iraq, with my first deployment in the initial invasion and the last deployment near the ending of our major involvement there. And we definitely did not slaughter civilians like Israel has been. It's not even remotely comparable. I'd say there is far more risk of Israel smuggling a nuke into Iran than Iran smuggling a nuke into Israel.
I'm so sick of people trying to compare this to WW2. What a slap in the face to our brave soldier in WW2, comparing storming the beaches of Normandy and the like to slaughtering innocent women and children by the tens of thousands like what is occurring in Gaza. Sorry, but I have too much respect for our WW2 veterans, including 2 of my grandfathers (one in the Pacific, and one that was in the Battle of the Bulge in Luxembourg and France).
And yes, Dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was wrong, and criminal, as was firebombing Tokyo and Dresden. We could have won the war without any of that nonsense. It was not the slaughter of civilians that forced them to surrender.
As far as support for Hamas, of course they are going to support Hamas over the IDF. The IDF is slaughtering them by the tens of thousands!!! Why in god's name would they support the IDF?? Hell, we support our troops, even when we take part in immoral unecessary wars like in Iraq, and I bet we had over 1/2 the population supporting us. should US civilians die as well? I think not.

 

The war you may have fought in wasn’t also being waged in your Neighborhood while you were over there.

Get used to comparing it to ww2, it is for thousands of relatives of the hundreds of those slaughter and taken as prisoners, Sure, you may have been deployed over seas but it wasn’t the norm for YOU to have artillery fired into your neighborhoods here at home while you were there. Knowing that the only possibility your wife and kids will be safe tomorrow is what you do today….the very Hamas supported by Palestinians could take out a friend, neighbor or family member tomorrow.m


Oh sure, it’s no big deal to have a way of life that includes your family under constant attack. It’s war. It’s what workd wars are really about….the safety of your own while you fight,

 

Where is this sentiment for the Palestinians??? Their families have been terrorized for decades, and now some 80% of buildings have been flattened, tens of thousands of innocents dead, with likely far more buried under the rubble. Do their families not matter?

If you are so concerned about their families, both Israeli and Palestinian, as you claim to be, which would be right to be, then you would support what these protestors are protesting now on campuses all over the world. Stopping this war is how we help ALL of those families that are suffering. All the IDF is doing now is condemning their children to further terrorist attacks in the future, as their brutality does nothing but radicalize more people as their families are blown apart by Israeli bombs.

 

The sentiment for Palestinians is the same as felt by Hamas and their supporters of those who shoot rockets into Israeli neighborhoods.

You want the IDF to feel remorse for killing citizens. They do…just like an English pilot who flew missions in to Germany while they were launching attacks on his homeland.

 

As far as dropping the atomic bomb is concerned, skeptics need to heed the words of the thousands of soldiers and their families who fought Germany and survived while living with the idea they may be redeployed to Japan…..Most I bet, lauded Truman’s decision.

 

Ok, so you support the slaughter of civilians, both back then and today. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I will never support the slaughter of innocent civilians, ever, under any condition.

 

That’s a crappy inconsiderate way of putting it….
I served during war time…I have an idea what happens during war.
But I don’t hear you acknowledge the difference between what we felt defending an idea, and what Israel soldiers feel, defending their neighborhoods and family NOW as they fight. I’m not a fan or an opponent of Israeli decisions…we aren’t walking in their shoes. But I know how many of those felt in “world wars” who were literally defending their families.

 

Clearly, they don't want the leadership.

They want the civilians dead. That's all they are trying to do.