Once again "The religion of peace" pops up like a sore thumb... Only Cowards Stone People To Death: An Islamic Religious Ritual ~by Phyllis Chesler, PAJAMAS MEDIA Yesterday, I appeared on FOX-TV’s “The Strategy Room” to discuss a recent stoning in Afghanistan and the issue of stoning in general. Kimberly Guilfoyle interviewed me both skillfully and graciously. The subject is a very distressing and somewhat mysterious one for most westerners. What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death—as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia? That poor soul was not only a 13 year-old child—she had also just been raped. Indeed, that was her sole “crime” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on. What does this tell us? First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as... Read the whole entry »http://www.israpundit.com/archives/26604
This is all a part of the "peaceful" religion, saying that 4 witnesses are required, if a woman gets raped, 4 people has to witness it and report it to the Islamic court that she was raped, if there were not enough witnesses, then the woman is considered to have committed an act of "adultery" and then stoned. The basic idea is insane, because raping happens only when no one is around, this is how the concept of "rape" is, so, how can you expect 4 witnesses to be there when it happens? This is all part of the crazy laws of Sharia. And of course stoning has not happened only Afghanistan, but also in Iran, Saudi and many other countries with strict Islamic laws.
Just few days ago I watched The Stoning of Soraya M., a movie based on a true story and made by Iranians living in diaspora. Very sad story, you should watch it.
The thousands of Soarayas being stoned in the name of God, and the world silent on these barbaric acts....What a shame.
Counterpoint: How long would a thread titled "Only Freaks Engage In Pedophelia: A Christian Religious Tolerance" last at PF before it was locked for flame bait? Interesting.
I think that most of us find stoning a person to death objectionable. I certainly do. I do think that if we are going to use the practice of stoning people to death to demonize the an entire religion then other religions should be judged by the same standard. If a religion that advocates stoning to death is evil, then all religions that advocate stoning to death is evil. If Islam is evil today for doing it, then Christianity was evil at the time it advocated it.
I guess the Jewish god is a big coward, didn't he invent that idea? And didn't the Jews use it as a method of punishment? Aren't these Jews coward too?
I agree, Almost all religions are evil one way or another, as almost all of them contain calls for lot of heinous crimes, but the main case here is about the followers and how they turn those words into actions. Nowadays you can hardly see a christian (up to my knowledge) stone a woman for having just gotten raped, but Muslims have done/still are doing that to this day in the name of their God, this is the difference.
Fair enough, but the problem here isn't Islam the Religion. It's more cultural than religious. If the problem were the religion, then Christianity has the same problem. Both religions advocate the same practice. God is the same today as he was at the time Christians practiced stoning. God hasn't had a change of heart with regard to stoning. Also, there are many Muslims in the world who don't support stoning people to death. A debate over whether or not stoning to people to death is acceptable is much more likely to be productive than a debate over religion.
Yes, it is mostly a cultural thing. Humans can have the weirdest of cultures. I don't really care if Somalians stone children or not. Its their problem. As long as they don't send terrorists to my country I won't interfere with them doing stupid things in their society. Its not my responsibility.
You are correct that it is also a cultural problem alongside religious. But the main question here is; what advocated to such culture...!? And the answer is the religion. If you ask those people that take part in the stoning process why they are doing that, they inevitably tell you with complete confidence that they are doing what their God has told them to, so they are following orders of their God, no doubt that many other cultural backgrounds have affected that decision of theirs, but the base in which they rationalize committing such acts is mainly religion.
Even if they did send terrorists to my country I wouldn't interfere with them doing stupid things in their society. I would just interfere with the terrorism. Interfering with the stupid things they do in their country wouldn't help the problem with the terrorists, in fact, it would be more likely to make that problem worse.
I remember when I was a child religious people used to preach us how non-Muslims tried to conquer the Muslims for centuries but they always failed, and discovered that every time they conquer Muslims they make the Muslims stronger, and that these non-Muslims just recently discovered the real weapon against Islam and Muslims which is inspired by Satan himself, is media. I know you'll think they are crazy, but they speak the truth, interfering would never help your cause, media does, just keep doing more good Hollywood movies, you'll make money and you won't have to worry about few trillions spent on wars, Hollywood is a lot more affective than any war launched at Iraq or Afghanistan.
I don't think any culture is any crazier than any other. I was just using the same language ("stupid things")as the person I was responding to.
Stoning, or lapidation, refers to a form of capital punishment, as opposed to private retribution or vengeance, whereby a group of persons throws stones at an individual until the person dies. In performing this type of death sentence, no particular person out of the stone throwing group could be held responsible or identified as the one who actually killed the subject. This is in contrast to the case of a judicial executioner. Stoning as punishment was prescribed for 18 crimes in Judaism, but since 30 CE, the Sanhedrin effectively abolished capital punishment. Stoning continues to be used with and without legal proceedings in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and other countries, all of which justify the practice with Islam. International human rights groups like Amnesty International have spoken out against the practice. Why did you point out 'Jewish God? You mean to say that 'Allah' is a different God that the Jews pray to, and the Muslims perform the Sujiud (Prostration) to??? I knew all along that between 360 deities were worshiped around the Kaaba (the saintly meteorite) Hubal was the moon god who the Pagan Arabs addressed their prayers through Allah to.
Agreed although Iranians urged Turkey to not show it I'm glad it has been shown in Turkey so that we could see subhumanity of Sharia!!!
Allah, Yahweh, Hasheem, call him whatever. From the thread's title you just admitted that your God is a barbarian coward, enough said. Stoning is not practised in Saudi anymore, primitive biblical laws are slowly fading from my country, thank goodness.
Judaism believed in stoning but eventually abolished it. The question is why are these verses still in your books? and why do you abolish it if your prophets have called for it? In Islam, Muslims tend to follow the Quran word by word, and they believe that nothing can be discarded from the Quran. I don't know how jews were convinced that they do not need to follow every verses in their book (maybe they did not think that they are words sent from god?), but it is very difficult to convince Muslims to change the Quran.
That's why Jesus was sent to say 'cast the first stone he who is sinless' and why the Quran was sent as a final reminder.
