Gay Teen Suicide: A Range of Causes

The simple fact is all research shows that they cannot leave the homosexual community no more than you can leave the heterosexual community.

 

The study above, and the subject of gay teen suicide, or just suicides in general take on an interesting twist when you consider that the main cause of successful suicides ending in death is lack of access to therapy.

Let's say a gay male who was in fact molested by a man repeatedly, was imprinted with promiscuous gay sexual compulsion, was feeling suicidal about said compulsion because he wished to be straight [for whatever personal reason: it's his life] walked into a therapist's office and asked for help with this angst.

Here's what would happen: [this is the pressure within the mental health organizations today on behalf of the gay lobby]

1. The Psychiatric News article says that promiscuity, drug use, child molestation history and deep depression are often interlinked in gay men.

2. The number one cause of successful suicides is lack of access to therapy.

3. Victims of molesation often exhibit compulsive sex of the type that was inflicted upon them. They can relate to the world sexually only which causes many problems in their personal relationships.

4. One of those compulsions is compulsive gay sex. An example would be if a boy was molested by a man and had orgasms imprinted with the associative cues of "male". [Like agriculture practitioners can do across all mammalian species]

5. That compulsion cannot be treated in therapy or the therapist might very likely lose his/her license, thanks to the real pressure the gay lobby has brought on mental health organizations.


Therefore, if a gay teen male had internal mental angst about compulsive sexual attraction to other males, whether promiscuous or not, as a result of being molested as a child by a man, he MAY NOT access reparative therapy to help rid him of the compulsion he wants gone [for whatever autonomous personal reason he has]. He thereby must suffer privately with this schism. The only other option he has is to undergo coercive therapy, to convince him to "love his compulsion" which he hates...thus potentially increasing his internal angst at an exponential rate. In other words "love what was done to you that you couldn't control then and cannot control now".

6. The gay lobby may themselves be contributing to successful teen suicide attempts.

 

Again, you cannot change your sexuality. It cannot be done. Stop wasting bandwidth and move on to another obsession.

 

No sense blaming me for your hatred, pilgrim.

Actually it's the support that kills them.

No, they are filled with self-loathing because they entity which is being supported by advocates of homosexuality has deceived them into thinking it IS them, and that entity hates their real selves.

Then surely they have verified that everyone who claims to be an ex-homosexual has relapsed, so let's see the verification.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy#Changing_Sexual_Orientation

The only people who "change" their sexual orientation are people who get money by changing other people's sexual orientation... Its a scam.

 

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

The only choice I'm aware of is "coming out". Many gay prefer not to. To the best of my knowledge, unbiased scientific studies are still inconclusive about the genetic determining factor of being gay. You cannot tell this to someone whom is already convinced that their religiously contrived pseudo-science has it all figured out.

 

You do understand that a study of 150 people doesn't come within light years of meeting my challenge, right?

 

You obviously know nothing about statistics. Good day.

 

So why include the poll?

As usual, you are not very clear about your point.

 

Who are the other 2/3? I'd like to know which group the majority of molesters fall into, so that we can keep children away from that group.

 

You obviously know nothing about logic.

 

Source?

What is the percentage of the dissent? What do the vast majority of those psychologists believe?

How did you determine the source of this supposed self loathing? Have you experienced it first hand?

If not, how did you come to the conclusion above?

"relapse" rates are indeed very high.

Just so that we are clear...mainstream science considers conversion therapy to not only be complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*), but actually dangerous psychologically.

LOL...so basically these people just "declare" themselves no longer gay, but the base urges are still there. Yeah, its real easy to get a high "success' rate doing it that way.

An 88% failure rate is pretty bad, dont you think? Its actually higher, since it doesn't include the people who remained celibate yet were still attracted to the same sex. Note that it says "BEHAVIOR"...not orientation. So even if they declare themselves straight, they still behave as if they are homos.

 

every single man woman and child is different. Being gay does not give you a monopoly on suicide. I lost a cousin to suicide and my daughter lost a friend to suicide. Some people can just deal with the trials and tribulations that are called life, while others simply cannot.

Most of us can't understand what would drive someone to take their own life.

If you are a balanced and adjusted individual then how you engage in sex would not be enough to make you take your life. if you have some sort of imbalance, and are prone to suicidal thoughts, then that is your make up.

 

And no one has made the claim you list above.

What most HAVE implied or related, is that suicide amongst young homosexual people is a particularly significant problem.

Sure, ALL suicide is serious... but it is important to have a better understanding of what is affecting young gay people specifically as well. There is nothing wrong with focusing (specifically) upon that.

Without a doubt, there is training which can explain that and cause more understanding than you seem to be aware of. You are speaking from ignorance. I've helped a few young people back-away from suicide; and I realize there are things that CAN be understood, if one is educated on the matter.

What in the hell are you talking about; that is just idiotic to say.

Of course, it is NOT how one "engages in sex" that is the problem. You are SPEAKING FROM SERIOUS IGNORANCE HERE... do you realize that?

You've addressed nothing that's useful, because your words reflect great ignorance. Please, get a clue.

Young homosexual people need the same support and acceptance that other kids receive. All too often, they do not have that and it leads to serious mental problems. They can be helped, if/when they receive the support and acceptance they need... just as most other people receive.

It goes without saying, that we know that young homosexuals are more troubled due to how they are perceived and treated in this society. It is already known that societies where homosexuality is more accepted, the gay kids do better overall.

 

Which of course doesn't matter a lick as long as it's less than 100%.

 

More ignorance expressed (above).

 

If 99% of "conversions" later turn out to be illegitimate, it makes the remaining 1% suspect as well.

In other words, it probably is 100%, not 99%.

 

Please. If the relapse rate were 1%, people like you would consider the other 99% suspect.

 

Keep grasping at those straws, heh heh

My personal experience is consistent with what mainstream science says. You have neither personal experience nor mainstream scientific support for your position. I am not sure what evidence you DO have at all. You seem to be relying on your own bias and nothing else.

 

So is it personal experience that trumps?

 

Children who are molested suffer from the imposed situation. It is a situation beyond their control. And then they become imprinted with that behavior which leaves them further out of control with compulsive sexual attraction they may or may not want. So for those who do not want it, who want to regain their autonomy, the only recourse the APA will allow them is to love the situation that is out of their conscious control, to "embrace" the damage done and "celebrate it".



So, don't wonder why at least some of the gay teen suicides happen. If you cannot ever gain control of your own destiny, what is worth living for?

One of you even had the audacity to rebut this comment by saying "88% of ex-gays failed to overcome their compulsion" Implied message: therefore the 12% who did weren't worth the effort. When a person wants themselves to undergo a course of therapy, who may tell them not to? Even if it means that person may commit suicide in despair?

Animal handlers have also found an imprinted/trained sexual orientation in stud animals difficult to erase. But with patience and time they've had good success. Such is the testimony though to imprinted sexual behaviors, or any behaviors for that matter. When the brain wires itself and "hardens" upon maturity, reversing behaviors is difficult. But that should make us ever more vigilant to protect our young kids from undue influence; instead of giving up and letting the gay get inside their heads in the form of "compassionate curriculum". Like I said, read up on pedophilia. The next thing after gaining access to a child's support group [like staff at a school for instance] is the perp getting inside the kids' heads [like exposing children to the idea of gay sex at an early age in school curriculum.].. Say what you want but kids will hear the words "gay" or "homosexual" and begin to ask questions. That's when the Agenda will "answer their curiosity". The introduction of the subject however is on behalf of the adults. Think about it.

 

Is it that you think those kids who are gay, became that way due to molestation? If so, do you believe that is 'some' or 'many'? What are you getting at?

Whatever. You are inferring something that you do not necessarily know. I've seen nothing which says that the majority of gay kids commit suicide due to being "molested"... which is pretty much what you are saying here.

 

Why do you presume that homosexuals commit suicide on the basis of their sexuality?

Do (heterosexual) teenagers solely commit suicide on the basis of their sexuality?

Of course not! That is just crazy!

However -- it's pretty clear that most teenagers (whatever their sexuality is) commit suicide because they don't feel good in their skin and all of that.

It's also pretty obvious that homosexual teenagers have a far greater chance of not "feeling good in their skin" because of wide-spread ignorance and hate speech.

 

This is a very serious subject indeed.

However -- you seem not to take that serious when you try to paint of the mere excistance of homosexual feelings, homosexual desires, etc. as the result of a trauma that was conflicted upon the individual earlier on in their life.

Truth of the matter is that there is no single reason to commit suicide. Some people are manic-depressive, some are not. Some people don't see the purpose of life. Some are just desperate.

If you live as a teenager in American society, and you constantly are confronted by hate-bearing individuals -- like yourself -- and homophic slurs; well I'm not that surprised that American gay teenagers take their own life.

I understand that other teenagers like to proove how "tough" they are. Some do it by skate-boarding, ride a BMX. Other smoke cigarettes or weed. And there are some that bully other gay teenagers -- but adults should step up the plate. And that is exactly what happens to little across America. I've read countless of stories (there currently is a whole sub-section on the website of the NYT) and have seen countless of documentries on the subject.

America is out of control.

If a gay kid would be bullied here as it happens so frequently in the USA, and they step to the school board and if they don't undertake any actions, as also happens so frequently in the States. Well, over here it would be in all the papers, on TV -- and the Ministery of Education would send a couple of inspectors -- and a legal proceeding would be started.

Individuals like yourself -- not to mention the US Ministery of Education -- have blood on their hands.

"It Get's Better" is a great initiative -- but it's way to little if a society is plagued by homophobic slurs.

 

Besides, isn't their some form of American Minister of Youth or something?

Over here in Flanders -- Pascal Smet is "Minister of Education, Youth, Equal Opportunities and Brussels Affair.

Anyway -- there are specific campaigns to address all youth over here, regarding gay-bullying, a few years back, we had the campaign of "F*ck Hetero's en Holebi's -- Ik ben Tolero".

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