Climate Change: It's bad and getting worse

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by Wyzaard, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. los2rec

    los2rec New Member

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    Let me guess, if it is introduced the American way, then it will be passed down to consumers whilst being used to generate extra taxbreaks for insurance companies. :mrgreen:


    I must sooo agree.

    Another interesting experimentation is to use the local desert solar energy to bias reverse surfaces of solar panels to a lower temperature, thus forcing precipitation and watering farm/plantation cultures of certain sizes. I don't exactly know its efficiency and volume but I guess it is still far from just drilling wells.

    Here is an idea I've just cooked up, considering that Earth's crust contains more water than all the oceans put together, when travelling deep down, maybe an interesting applied research could be to advance the mining and oil industries' deep drilling technologies.

    This is extremely complicated to understand from such few words. :( Considering that this is non-for-profit, how do you assign any value to someone's work, apart from the dollar amount the market puts on it? And if we assign value to work that is not in dollars, do we also assign value to life? I don't understand what value my work or life could be if it was not measured in dollars, especially considering that life itself demands work to continue. I am curious, are you suggesting that work and life have values, other than those expressed in dollars?

    Finnland is a country I especially like. I will have to think a LOT deeper about this "roadmap" before I can even react. :)
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  2. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    do you have the data that established causation or not ?
    If the answer is no, just say so.
    It's OK, really.
     
  3. Joey_Sac

    Joey_Sac New Member Past Donor

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    Just let these guys go. They are verbal masturbators with little education, and apparently no life. This is their great pleasure. In the real world the rest of us just ignore these empty wagons. Since they have no one to listen to them, they come here and spout their ignorance. I don't think they even watch television news, and if they do, it is Fox. It is kind of fun - talk about money and education - it upsets them!

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  4. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, your are smart and cool, but just one question............
    where's your data sweety ?
     
  5. Uncle Meat

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    Absolute nonsense. Pure BS.

    AGW is merely the accepted hypothesis.

    You're confusing 'climate change' with 'anthropgenic global warming'.

    Climate change has been confirmed, yes.

    However, there is no confirmation on whether it is cooling or warming and there is no confirmation on the cause.

    Additionally, you seem to have a problem distinguishing between 'weather' and 'climate'. They are not the same thing.

    Not that I'm surprised though: AGW hypothesis followers have no shame when it comes to spin, hyperbole, and scaremongering.
     
  6. cassandrabandra

    cassandrabandra New Member

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    this is well documented and has been referred to countless times on this forum.

    if you want to make claims such as "that quote is a lie" you need to provide an argument as to why you think so.
     
  7. cassandrabandra

    cassandrabandra New Member

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    interesting. don't know anything about that. any links?

    depends where you are. certainly there are many desert regions that have large artesian water sources available - however the water may not always be suitable for agriculture - often it has a high mineral/salt content. You would need additional processing. Also - we need to consider what the removal of a large volume of water may have on regions - I am no scientist but I seem to have heard that this kind of thing can have effects that can make ground unstable - but I guess it depends on how close it is to the surface as well as the type of rock in the area.

    yes.

    One of the key components to job satisfaction is the sense that your work has some value/meaning/is worthwhile.

    its not just about money.

    oh - and ethical investment activities CAN be for profit. :)
     
  8. los2rec

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    It is one of the college research works I have been involved in, a few papers are published by a few places, I will dig for internet availability.

    I love when money goes into these kind of things. Actually I was thinking around the depth where water exists as steam instead of brine. But considering brine, I can imagine that exporting certain salt products and using them in the chemical industry can be profitable. (Construction aggregates, process cathalysts/stabilizers, medical/cosmetics pharmaceutical, etc..)

    This is interesting. Well I guess I will never grow to like work. :) (In fact I absolutely hate working, when/if work dies I will dance on its grave.) But doing research in the field of basic sciences or initial application developments is fun. Do you know what is so absolutely horrible about work? You yourself have to do it as per other people's business schedule. I consider work only if there are other people who can do it. Negotiating those schedules may be fun, but wouldn't you just absolutely hate it when as the next step you have to get down and work by it? There is absolutely nothing worse than that. I am amazed how some people say that they like work (like one of the new guys here). What is in their heads?
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  9. los2rec

    los2rec New Member

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    Oops I forgot this line. THAT sounds great. I am interested in these opportunities.

    I take the liberty here to share a story I saw about this on TV.

    One of the UN(?) help organizations started to distribute pumps for the semi-desert Sudan region of Africa. The pumps kept breaking down and suffered from general lack of maintenance and local user attitude. So the program waas stopped.

    Then a (Canadian?) entrepreneur started to SELL those same pumps to those same people, but now for a price (that half of them could afford, the other half could not). Immediately, there were almost no more breakdowns, and everyone respected the pumps.

    So market differentiation is the effective way to help people "in need", not charity. It appears that the donations must not be given to them but sold to them at a 50 % differentiation level. What is your oppinion about this observation?
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  10. cassandrabandra

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    in general, people prefer opportunities to be autonomous and independent rather than charity. thats why many people in emerging nations value education more than many people in the west do.

    fair trade is one area which encourages local communities to develop their own trading relationships - and these communties then spend their own money on programmes that help their local community - such as building schools etc.

    I find that aid organisations that offer opportunities for people to upskill themselves are highly effective. you don't give people pumps, or even sell them - you help them learn skills to develop and/or maintain their own systems.

    this has a much greater benefit to the local community -

    you know the story about giving the poor man a fish? that way, you feed him for a day.

    its better to give him a fishing rod and teaching him how to fish, that way you feed him for a year.

    better yet - teach him how to make a fishing rod - then he will be able to feed himself for life.
     
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    can you show me the well documented data that establishes causation ?
     
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    Joey_Sac New Member Past Donor

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    Everyone has heard your misinformed opinion on 'causation.'

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  13. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Still with nothing ?
    Pretty impressive. Hope you didn't pay too much for that MBA.
     
  14. Wyzaard

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    Current events:

    "On Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace criticized a University of Maryland study which indicated that Fox News viewers are more misinformed than the consumers of other news media. Wallace said the study labeled those who "questioned whether climate change is occurring" as misinformed, and suggested that doing so would be improper.

    The study actually asked, "Do you think that MOST SCIENTISTS believe that" 1) Climate change is occurring, 2) Views are evenly divided or 3) Climate change is not occurring. Noting that the correct answer is that most scientists believe that climate change is occurring, the study found that of those who said they watched Fox News "almost every day," 60 percent got it wrong -- significantly higher than the consumers of other news sources.

    A Stanford University study similarly found that "more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists' claims about global warming, [and] with less trust in scientists."

    It is a fact that climate change is occurring, and anthropogenic global warming is so well-supported in peer-reviewed research that, as the Maryland study notes, the United States' National Academy of Sciences and "97% of self-identifying actively publishing climate scientists agree" that it is occurring.

    Indeed, a 2010 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that "(i) 97-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC [anthropogenic climate change] outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers."

    A 2009 survey published by the American Geophysical Union also found that of over 3,000 Earth scientists, 90 percent said average global temperatures have risen compared with pre-1800s levels and 82 percent said human activity is a "significant contributing factor" in that trend. The study further concluded that "as the level of active research and specialization in climate science increases, so does agreement with the two primary questions." Of those who specialize in climate science, 97.4% said human activity is contributing to rising global temperatures.

    Wallace's suggestion that there is a legitimate question about whether climate change is occurring is consistent with instructions from Fox executive Bill Sammon to cast doubt on whether the planet has warmed. Sammon oversees Fox News' Washington bureau, which produces Fox News Sunday."

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201106270010
     
  15. squidward

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    excellent, it should be easy for your to present the data that establishes causation. I am so ready to be educated.

    thank you in advance.
     
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    kk8 New Member Past Donor

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    The biggest "get rich" scam in history! "Man-made Global Warming" who will be the ones selling those carbon credits? I know who, do you? This is a crime, do you understand? It's a sham, and it has been sold to every college and University, and liberal tree hugger.

    The weather changes...NO SHIIIIITTT!
     
  17. cassandrabandra

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    yes.

    but weather and climate is not the same thing.

    insurance payouts due to climate related weather events have increased significantly - the insurance industry understand the risks.

    http://www.theinstitute.com.au/journals/risk_responsibility_and_reward.pdf
     
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    Joey_Sac New Member Past Donor

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    Didn't have to pay a dime for the M.B.A., it was conferred honorarily by Northwestern University for innovations in my field. What are your university credentials, Mr. Walmart?

    You did not even read Wyzaard's link that simply explains the situation on climate change. Did you? http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Global_warming You do know what reading comprehension is?

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    Little boys are so proud of their little accomplishments.
     
  23. Joey_Sac

    Joey_Sac New Member Past Donor

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    At least I have accomplishments to list. Do you really think anyone will remember that you helped reset the cosmetic section at Walmart?

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    Your attitude of 'talking down' says loser with no valid arguments to present. I am bored with your name calling. There are actually threads here where posters know how to think! Goodbye.
     
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    Hey, you forgot the data. What gives ?
     
  25. Wyzaard

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    The preponderance of evidence of global warming, greenhouse gas dynamics, man-made CO2 generation, etc.
     

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