Evolution is a joke pt V

Let me translate this for you:

There ya have it - your sophistical bull(*)(*)(*)(*) translated for the average person.

Back to this:

 

To say that humans are primates is absolutely correct to any biologist or speaker of english.

 

I didn't see the link at the bottom... Yes - that is what I was asking...

Uh... Just because there is chromosome 2 doesn't me that THAT is what happened. You can "guess" that is what happened... But, as you stated, not all the information in 2 are of the other homo genus (see how I did that - please use proper useages of terms please) if I am correct. Isn't there some fruit fly in there? I know there is a BUNCH of information and there is a lot of "other" life form patterns I believe...

That was my other question...

 

If you continue to act like a child posting on his parents computer I will treat you as such...

 

That's not what we are discussing lopey... Also, that is just sloppy...

Look at the post I posted for stones above and used Ak's own post... I think there you will see what I was trying to get across...

HERE: http://www.politicalforum.com/4253961-post92.html

 

what you said is that it is incorrect to call humans primates, but anyhow, I'm done. have fun...

 

You are wrong, because:

Evolution would predict a fusion would have occurred and we have the evidence to support it.

This is far from a 'guess' genius.

 

You jumped in mid-ship and didn't know what ocean you were on lopey...

 

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The PNAS paper is very VERY outdated. With the amount of sequence information available today there is no doubt that all life known to man is descendant from the LUCA. The ribosome serves as indisputable evidence of this.

 

I am right... I bet if you click on some of the protein groups you will find out I am right.

First you can't predict something that has already occured. Secondly, what evidence is there that supports this assessment of, there was an animal and it created all the classes of apes and humans, because of chromo 2 fusing, states this...

Since it was not witnessed happening I suggest there should be a way, besides a guess that you can address how we can take this seriously...

 

What...?

How did you assess this?

 

Of course its not a joke!

In genetics we find that whales are very anatomically and genetically simmilar to mammals (e.g. to Hippos) yet they evolved to swim in the oceans. Fish move their spines from side to side when swimming, mammals move their spines up and down when running. Whales evolved the mammal spine and swim up and down. They also have mammal lungs and nose which fish lack. So why would God make whales with lungs instead of gills? Is he just dumb?

Looking in the fossil record we find transition everywhere. Some land animals evolved more fishy characteristics until they were wholly devoted to the sea. This happened through natural selection (selecting those who could deal with water better) and mutations. Since evolution is not necessarily perfect or complete whales still lack gills and so still need their lungs.

We even find a vestigital pelvis on a whale.

Note that while the whale pelvis may not have an apparent function, that does not mean it does not have any function at all. However, the whale pelvis has lost its previous function and this makes it vestigital. This vestigitality indicates the mammal ancestry of whales because whales are genetically very simmilar to other mammals.

Next are the atavisms we find in whales. Talkorigins defines an atavism as the reappearance of a lost character specific to a remote evolutionary ancestor and not observed in the parents or recent ancestors of the organism displaying the atavistic character. Atavisms have several essential features:1) presence in adult stages of life, (2) absence in parents or recent ancestors, and (3) extreme rarity in a population.

Wikipedia defines an avatism as the tendency to revert to ancestral type. In biology, an atavism is an evolutionary throwback, such as traits reappearing which had disappeared generations before. Atavisms occur because genes for previously existing phenotypical features are often preserved in DNA, even though the genes are not expressed in some or most of the organisms possessing them.

Indeed, some whales have been mistakenly born with atavistic legs attached to their vestigital pelvis. This is strong evidence for evolution but is only one of many confirmations of darwin's theory.

 

I went to school, studied hard, and got a Ph.D in molecular biology. The ribosome really ties all of common descent together in a molecular context. It is the basis for comparative phylogenetics across the 3 domains of life. You should read about it. Fascinating!!!!

 

Wow, its amazing how someone can really be this obtuse.

 

Any place you suggest I start off? I am ready to read!!

I'll try myself, but I am old and a horrible Google Search Ninja like the others who post here...

Lopey is the best so far by leaps and bounds!!!

 

You will not address that which you stated. You just stated something about Chromo 2 and I stated that, other than taking somebodies word - there has to be some evidence of this. You suggested that there was a common ancestor for which all life within the Ape Clade arose from, and your answer was chromo 2. I am now asking - since it was not witnessed, nor there not being a fossil of this animal, what evidence are you making this assessment?

OR - are you just repeating what your pastor of Darwinism told you?

Now, I will let you in on a secret... fusion of gene's happens, quite rare, but it happens and that does not mean, at the point of fusion, that an evolutionary step in common ancestry just happened...

Secret told! I'm horrible at keeping secrets!!

 

WOW!!!!! Ignorance at it finest on display. You should try READING the links I post once inawhile. I can't answer questions if you DO NOT (*)(*)(*)(*)ING READ WHAT I POST GENIUS!

Read and learn:

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/199749-irrefutable-proof-evolution.html

Post #3:

 

I read your post, now explain WHY you believe this... Do you know anything about fusion within chomosomes? Is this common? Why did it not happen to the other lifeforms within the Ape clade since they have the same common ancestor as we do? In life on this planet - in every case that there is a splitting or fusing of a species, there is also a chomosome two or does it happen in other chromosomes?

You can Google anything you want to and not know a danggum thing, which I think is happening, so, explain yourself... Why do you think that the fusion of chromosome two is a evidence of common descent, because it isn't... not in the least... and if you know anything about this paticular situation, along with other, there is one thing that predicts this CAN'T be common descent or even looked at as evidence... OH- and it has been something I have stating for a while now also...

ALSO WHAT YOU DIDN'T ANSWER WAS - There is a lot of stuff within Chromosome 2, do you mind telling us why you think that since monkeys (see how this is incorrect?) also have some Chromo 2 and a believe some insects, why do you suggest that it is the splitting of a common ancestor when other life within the classification did not get the fusion? How does this happen? How does evolution - from a common ancestor and evolution gives three species a set and then one a different set of chromosomes? OR fuses two together...

 

CHROMOSOME 2.

Most horrific evidence against evolution that the "evolutionary biologist" thought would help them... This is horrific.

Fusion of Chromosome 2 happened during the delepment "whatever" that first lifeform was. It is a ridiculously rare things, but it does happen about .0000000000000001% (there should be more 0's like 1 billion) and when it does, PRESTO CHANGO something is completely different (or they say since it has never been witnessed, nor reproduced in a lab).

Oh.. But, wait... Now we have a very, very, very slight problem... When that happened within that species of life and created a new species... guess what? It's alone in the world!! COMPLETELY ALONE, and thus cannot mate to spread the gene because it can't.... Those differences that created that change would have made something that would not be able to breed!! Well, not with what was there at the time they think it happened...

Evolutionary biologist just put themselves in the hole even deeper this time because there is no way out of this one. You cannot, well, unless you think this miracle of miracles happened twice - like within the same ecosystem with - within the same time frame - with two lifeforms of different sexes... But, you can't believe in that...

Because that is Adam and Eve...'

I just got shivers.... I already know that none (except the Christian's) believe this story of two people who just brought about the world...

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I wasn't going to put the above, but there are Christian readers who do read this and I just thought I would add that for them! Your welcome!!!

 

Just because you have a chromosome fusion does not mean you cannot reproduce with others of your species. And from what source are you getting those crazy odds for chromosome fusion? Did you know that some species of horses have 32 pairs of chromosomes while others have 33 pairs?

 

It get's better and better!!! Are they the same species? Can they mate?

So, question... If you believe in evolution - why do you see other species that CAN mate with fused pairs of life and thus is not an evolutionary node, but with MAN it is?

And now feel the double edged sword... Evolutionary Biologist and those who believe have a choice.... The Priest of Evolution have told you that because of chromo 2 that the presence of the fusion means there was a common ancestor and that was the evolutionary event - the fusion to create a new species - thus being man... BUT, if that were to happen you would need this to occur twice - the EXACT same mutation!!!! In the same ecosystem with different sexes for them to mate if it indeed was an evolutionary creation of a new species of life, and if so, and there was only one - who is this new species going to mate with? Frogs? OR, we can look at it as the Pastors of Evolution have lied to you again and stated something that has no evidence (as your horses – which is incorrect mind you) in the natural world since this occurrence does not equate to common descent...

Either or - evolution is a faith based religion that has no background or evidence that it is nothing more than that - a religion of faith based, propaganda following sheep...

Also, I get my crazy odds from this... Think about it with me. Each day - how much life is born on this planet - bacteria included which reproduces in hours? Now, I ask you - per that number or rate of birth - how often does a fusion of DNA happen? My number are off by about one septillion to exp.10 to one and that is being generous...

And your assessment is kinda wrong with horses, it's a better example if you use zebra's and horses – but like the mule/donkey scenario – you can cross them - zorses I think they are called, but the offspring are unable to breed with others of its own kind (due to chromo matching) THUS, in nature there would be only one an then – done (Natural Selection at it’s best)...

Now here is the best part of it all… If there are zebras mind you (they are zebra) and on has let’s “just say” 30 paired chromosomes and another zebra has 44 – how does that equate to common descent if you are using Chromo 2 for humans?

YOU CAN’T!!!

Chromo 2 hurts more than it helps since within the world of life there are too many cases that, if there were common descent, it wouldn’t be the way it is, like in the case of the zebras.

Again, thank you for point the Religion of Darwinism out even more…

 

This is all we really need to know about how truly ignorant you are of Evolution, and why you have absolutely no business talking about evolution.

Only FUTURE generations will receive a mutation, not PAST generations. Obviously the fusing of human chromosome 2 happened AFTER we split off from the Chimpanzee. That is why no other specie in the Great Ape Family has 46 chromosomes, they all have 48. Human Chromosome 2 has almost the SAME exact DNA information as the Chimpanzees chromosome 2 and 3 COMBINED.

This really should be a a cut and dry example of Evolution in action. Humans split off from the Chimpanzee, a mutation occurs, Evolution would predict that only humans will have the mutation and guess what, only we do. This is about the easiest example of Evolution to understand. But, enter the creationist and the stupidity abounds. Asking why the other members of the Great Ape Family doesn't have the mutation is only showing a pure ignorance of how evolution works. Saying once the fusion happens, that one individual could not mate is pure bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If this was the case, then noone could mate. Mutations occur all the time and no indivdual would be able to procreate.

Whats next? Are we going to get Kurt Cameron and Banana Man in here asking why there isn’t croc-a-ducks or spider-mokeys running arouond?

 

First off genius, we didn't split off from chimps. There was a common ancestor that the chimps belong too along with all the other lifeforms within the Ape Clade as I stated. I really wish you would use biology terms when posting!!

Really… Pure ignorance of how evolution works… Then explain this to me genius, where is this distinction between Gorilla and Chimp? Or Chimp and Orangatan? OR Orangatan and Gorilla?

If what you state is true (I love how people post and say this) evolution predicts (which means future tense) that each life within the clade of ape would have all the same thing of some sort since they are different species.

So… Please provide the mutations between the rest of the species!

I’ll be waiting… probably for a while.

ALSO why didn’t you answer the part about the horses?

Why didn’t you answer the part about what else shared patterns within Chromo 2?

Why did you answer what would happen if only ONE mutation happened and thus there would be no mating as the examples I gave?

Why didn’t you address the part about zebras with a wide spread of Chromosomes that didn’t match and thus fused or whatever you want to call it?

Why didn’t you answer any of that? Hmmm –what did I say in the beginning?

Oh – wait… You left something else probably a link or some type of evidence or proof of what you’re stating or something intelligent huh!!!

Will this next part be full of information that I can at least Google like you can the zebra’s? Or even the horse zebra hybrid? Or how when mutation happen the offspring cannot mate? OR how when that fusion (as they suggest) took place it would have isolated that specific lifeform and thus it would have died without passing on its distinct new mutation!!!

I can’t wait to see the genius behind the poster… What will we have next!!!

Figures….

 

Almost? Did you just post "ALMOST"? What is the rest of the DNA then genius? Also, this "same" DNA that that is shared with the rest of the ape family, is it also shared with insects? How about Bacteria? Because I will bet my avatar that it's not EXCLUSIVE to the Ape Clade!

You just will believe anything won't you?...

And what you are not realizing is for there to be a "SPLIT" produces a new species of life! At that split - during meosis - a new species was born, thus your Chromo 2 happened AFTER the split is ridiculous, because it is the split. Chromosome two introduced a new species - since there is nothing to (missing link) measure it two - the Preachers of Evolution told you that there shows that we split from them even though we do not have the missing link. We have the event that shows we split.

But, nothing else split? How do we show that the the rest of the apes split within the class? How did the Ape split from the Chimp? Do you know? At one point within our own clade we needed to split...

Also, for the religious reading this, explain the Adam and Eve situation since there needed to be a male and female for them to have babies to have the gene carry on...