obama birth certificate. the media is catching on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o5migYVB9c4#at=15


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X6tvti9um6k

information will set us free.

 

You get your "information" from youtube??

The media is disinterested in the birther loons because they have been able to read the statutes..

They also know his mother was a US citizen.

The birther nonsense is a huge and embarrassing waste of time by a bunch of incompent lawyers.

 

it's a free country... for now.


Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizenS on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.


i'm told the obama camp had a hand in this res. obama is a brit. you know that youtube isn't an information news agency right ??

 

I have no idea what you're talking about with "oppression", but I do know that proudly flagrant stupidity mingled with idiotic racism is anti american.

 

I have yet to get a response from a birther explaining why a child born in the U.S. to 2 illegal aliens is a natural born U.S. citizen but a child born in the U.S. to a U.S. citizen is NOT.

 

There was a rule to place them in the proper forum. A rule which you seem to be habitually breaking.

Watergate was reported by real reporters, with actual facts, who didn't publish anything until they had evidence.

What evidence do you have? Nothing. You've been asked to present it many times and have avoided every time.

 

Voo Doo and stupidity..

 

The truth is that to a birther, all this talk about laws and birth certificates and hospitals is a bit silly. They don't need to law or piece of paper to tell them who is a real American and who isn't any more than they need a DNA test to tell the difference between a cow and a hog. They think it reveals a lot about liberals that we can't even figure out the obvious stuff like that "Barack" ain't no American name.

 

the topic is not allowed legitimacy, ergo discussion. any challenge to obama's provenance is perceived as a threat to obama supporters. this phenomenom is way bigger than obama being corrupt. how did he trick all of these people, and i assure you, he did not do it alone. because of popular appeal, we have an issue that has been tabooed, hence relegated to obscurity (we're in miscellaneous right now again), and always in spritely (brisk) fashion. apparently, all you have to do is ask.

 

Hahhahahahaha.....

But the truth shall set us free.

Once you actually start posting truth, or a single fact maybe then you can have the right to complain about 'oppression'.

But right now all you do is make unsupported claims of fraud. You repeatedly dodge any questions as to what you base these on.

You admit there is no evidence to support any of your speculation, innuendo and passing on of lies.

Your whining- based upon the facts- is pretty hollow.

 

the more you post the more i think you are an obot. (no offense)

 

Why should it be allowed 'legitimacy'?

He was legally elected almost 3 years ago. He has proven his birth in the U.S. multiple times- and far more thoroughly than any other President.

You haven't posted any facts or evidence to support your conclusions, and indeed have adopted some of the Birthers most egrigious lies.

This is pure Conspiracy dreck- you assume that 70 million voters were tricked, that the entire Congress is in the conspiracy, that John McCain is too cowardly to confront your supposed fraud, that Chief Justice Roberts is too stupid to understand the Constitution.

This is right where it belongs. In Conspiracy theory land.

 

natural born is not the same as citizen, which actually is sort of the argument. one thing i would like to make clear. if obama was a good guy with good ethics, i wouldn't care about the technicalities of citizenship. i care if he uesed his power as senator or president to in any way cover up even the smallest thing.

 

Why should he be offended? He challenged you about 'evidence' and you called him an obot.

Clearly in your mind, an obot is someone who demands evidence before conclusions.

So, I am an Obot, and proud of it.

 

well when you told me you usually leave the technical stuff to frank, that was a flag dyed the color red. foollow the yellow brick road my friend. nice try.

 

i haven't seen how many people that voted for him think(s) if they got what they voted for. i'd like to. that fact that you would call (allude to) john mccain a coward shows what a banal dweeb you are. you know he was a pow right. how would his military experience stack up against yours tough guy? you know how frank answers every question immediately. what about the claim that he can't replicate the forgery with a scanner? i've asked six times. you and your mr. technical wizard need to step up to the plate. polland started a series, and there is a sixteen year old now that blows frank's skills away. LOL

 

Funny....how you respond to this, yet you don't respond to any of my actual attempts to dialogue with you on actual points.

And that is because of course you don't care about facts, evidence or anything actually real, you care about Birther speculation.

So when did I say I leave the technical stuff to frank?

Of course I didn't. I probably did say that I don't respond to the multitude of claims by self proclaimed experts, found by WND, about PDF version posted on the internet. I do not have the expertise to respond, and unlike Birthers, I try to know the facts prior to coming to a conclusion.

I have however, repeatedly told you that the claims of forgery of the PDF are meaningless, since Hawaii has said the copy published on the internet is a true copy of the original.

Birthers are sooooooo dumb, that they claim that the White House forged the copy printed online, and that the State of Hawaii can't tell the difference between the copy they have and the one the White House published.

So Scott- will you ever post an actual fact supporting one of your specious claims?

 

Look dude. You kids have demanded a long series of things from Obama to prove he was a natural born citizen. Why you demanded all that crap of the first black president and never of any previous president I will leave you to ponder, but regardless of your motives, he has delivered everything that was demanded. First you wanted to see his birth certificate. About three years ago he posted it online. Then, still with no evidence whatsoever to support your suspicion, the idiot birthers declared that it must be a fake. So he let the very websites that were challenging him pick their own document experts and send them in to the whitehouse to look at it themselves. They admitted that it was legit, so then the birther morons (still without a shred of evidence mind you) pronounced that those sites must be in on the conspiracy. So then they said it would have to be sorted out in court. Now more than 13 judges have heard the birthers make their case, have confirmed that Obama was indeed a natural born citizen, and dismissed every one of the cases. Must be that all the judges are in on the conspiracy. So then the birthers demanded that they go into the vault in the hospital and verify that Obama's version matched their records. The Republican head of the department of health personally went in there and confirmed it matched. So then the nutters declared that she was in on the conspiracy. So then the birthers demanded to know why nobody came forward who knew Obama when he was a baby, and a dozen people did. So then they demanded to know why there wasn't any mention of his birth in the papers, but there was. So then they demanded that he order the department of health to violate their own policy by releasing their record of his birth, which he did. Now what the hell are you guys even asking for? Whatever it is, I have zero doubt that if he were to provide it, you would announce that it was part of the conspiracy- still with zero evidence or even reason to suspect anything at all- and demand some new thing...

The reality is that some people just won't ever accept that somebody with a name that sounds foreign to them, least of all a black person, is a "real American". Some people are just too stupid, ignorant, and bigoted to deal with reality in any kind of sensible way. There is nothing the rest of us can do about that.

 

I haven't called John McCain a coward- Birthers have- and you are a Birther.

Just to recap:

Birthers- and that includes you- claim that President Obama cannot be eligible because his father was not a U.S. citizen.

And that this was and is the law of the land.

And that voters were all just too ignorant to understand this.

Birthers claim that John McCain knew that Obama wasn't eligible but he was too scared of the response if he said anything- the usual race riot fear crap that Birthers like to throw out.

Just to repeat here- Birthers claim that John McCain was too cowardly to raise the issue of Barack Obama's eligiblity.

You are a Birther.

Since you support this theory, you too consider John McCain to be a coward.

Which is just one more reason it sucks to be a Birther.

 

No.....I don't.

You have dodged every question I have asked you.

But here are my answers.

a) I can't explain why a self proclaimed expert can't do a PDF properly. I don't know much about PDF technology and neither do you.
b) Polland- who originally called himself Pollarik? What about him?
c) A 16 year old on Youtube I bet right? Another fine WND expert.

Just show me some evidence that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii.

 

i'll make you a deal, you get frank to answer, and i keep humoring you.

check post 511 birhter thread 1 and 2 here's the link... this board has a pretty decent search on it. http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/191578-birth-cetrtificate-fraud-part-ii-52.html my point i guess is that you have been working together since i got to this birther thing.. just so the people know the truth. i think it's an honest mistake though, you aren't lying, you just forgot.

 

any topic should be allowed discussed without hiding or proactive shaming the discussers the topic in america. especially by those who tout transparency as a centerpiece of their character.

 

Fallacy: False Dilemma

Merely because I am rational and logical and don't believe your birther nonsense, you think I'm a rabid Obama supporter.

Reset your counters everyone. It has now been zero (0) posts since a birther committed a logical fallacy.

 

Who's hiding it?

Placing it in the proper forum makes it easier for people looking for that discussion to find it.

 

i appreciate your taking the time to outline your point, well done.

why is it so important to you that i be satisfied with obama's provenance ? why not let me be wrong ? why care, if i'm just crazy. why not just open the safe ? stupid and ignorant maybe, i'm not racist. now there are new stories about obama himself bring more credibility issue and doubt upon himself and the democrat party, why do that ?? it doesn't make sense. why not open the safe with the fbi taitz et al, and of course geraldo would be there too.