Khadafi Deposed - Does Obama get any Credit?

Well I wont say anymore on the marginalization...because neither of us have any real evidence of whether it happened or not, just two conflicting opinions, nothing special on this board. Maybe they we're and maybe they we'ren't...but neither of us can claim anything more than that with credibility.

What lies? You'll need to expand for me to keep the debate up...

We went in because of terrorists and their training camps - they we're there, we're fighting them.

We went in because of WMD's, and the fear that Iraq, who had previously used them, would use them again - we found WMD's but not "the big one" everyone was thinking of.

We went in because Suddam was an anti-american and a dictator in his country - no doubt about either, he was removed from power.

We went in to help Iraq...which we did...except America has this funny perception that it would happen overnight...of course not. 7 years later....yeah we're about in the right spot.

What lies???

 

Terrorist training camps in Iraq?? LOLOLOL.

Where did you come up with that?

Iraq was broken before the war.. Oil production was down by 2 million barrels a day.. They couldn't treat their water supply.. Oil infrastructure was so broken and outdated that they were in danger of losing major reserves forever because of bad reserve management.

 

Bush went to Congress and received bi-partisan APPROVAL for the Iraq war. I cannot imagine why liberals ALWAYS forget that FACT! The incompetent idiot clown fool obamalama, ignored Congress about the Libyan War.

And we defeated Iraq in fewer days than its taken to "maybe" get Ka-Daffy. So we won the war. Wonder how long it will take to "win" the peace?

 

The Devils in the details.. Bush got approval to hunt down and engage terrorists.. so he decided that Saddam was involved in 9-11 and was responsible for terrorism.

 

Terror organizations are all over the Middle East. Just because our news reports on like 3 of them doesn't mean more do not exist. There we're not a lot of Terrorists in Iraq, because of Suddam, but it would be crazy to try to say there we're none. That's like saying there are absolutely no communists in America...which we all know isn't true.

Iraq has been broken for centuries, this is nothing new to them. It got worse when Suddam came to power - he was a dictator and genocidal mad man. So where are these lies, you can't say there are lies, and then back out of the topic...

Again...how do you know this. There could have been many reasons, many not released to the public. You've been speaking in this entire thread like you personally witnessed each and every action, like what you say is gold......

 

By all means, Obama should get credit for violating the War Powers Act completely, squandering over a billion dollars on a fight we didn't "have a dog in", and helping prepare the way for yet another chaotic, radical Muslim country that has already announced that it will be governed by Islamo-fundamentalist Sharia Law! http://www.examiner.com/religion-po...-report-libyan-rebels-to-establish-sharia-law

In the months and years ahead, I hope the hyperliberal morons who put Barack Hussein Obama in the U. S. Presidency remember to give him ALL THE CREDIT IN THE WORLD for helping to create a new international, radical Islamic confederation that will extend halfway around the world -- from the Pillars of Hercules to the South Pacific! The "credit" is ALL YOURS!

 

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Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11.. 9-11 was hatched in the US, Frankfort Germany and London by Expat Muslim dissidents.. and it was a very small conspiracy.

Why do you think bush redacted 28 pages of the 9-11 report?? That meant he could accuse and attack anyone at will.

When were YOU in Iraq?

 

Many hundreds of thousands have died as a result of this brutal regime; how is that working for the Iranian People?

I would say that it is worse now than it was under the Shah. Of course you would prefer to continue parroting idiot terrorist talking points.

Iran acknowledged that nearly 300,000 people died in the war;

Iran's losses may have included more than 1 million people killed or maimed.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/iran-iraq.htm

"Between January 1980 and June 1981, when Bani-Sadr was overthrown, at least 906 executions took place, primarily after 20 May 1980.

According to Abrahamian, "from June 1981 until June 1985, revolutionary courts executed more than 8000 opponents." These were mainly members of the Mojahedin-e Khalq, but also included Fedayins and Kurds as well as Tudeh, National Front, and Shariatmadari supporters. ... Thus the toll taken among those who had participated in the revolution was far greater than that of royalists. This revolution — like others — had devoured its own children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iranian_Revolution

Khomeini, best known to the rest of the world as the founder of modern Islam........

In the roughly ten years that he reigned, over 100,000 Iranians were executed.

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/11/exalting-khomeini’s-legacy/

 

Sometimes WIKI is totally screwy..

"Khomeini, best known to the rest of the world as the founder of modern Islam......."

Khomeni leads a minority within a minority. Didn't you catch that?

 

Hindsight seems to be your expertise Marg; but everyone including our allies and the previous administrations believed that Saddam still maintained and arsenal and was hiding it from inspectors.

Every time I catch you in a lie, you jump to the next one.

 

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
The Iranian Revolution was the result of the failure of US policy led by the feckless failure known as Carter. Democrat failures litter the historic record.

There you go again, deflecting and obfuscating and jumping to another topic.

We are talking about the Iranian revolution overthrowing the Shah, not about the overthrow of Mossadegh.

 

Wasn't hindsight.. I did everything I could humanly do to stop Bush before the war... That's why I finally resigned the Republican party in early 2002..

There were so many smart people who could have advised Bush, but he marginalized them all in favor of the PNAC.

I don't know if Bush was drunk or just stupid... I suspect a bit of both... and a perfect example of the Peter Principle.

 

Please, your total support for the islamic terrorists is easily recognized.

Bush got Congressional approval. Liberals and their constant attempts to rewrite history in a manner favorable to ruthless bloodthirsty terrorists is part of why you will be out of power soon. And the quasi-government muslim invasion will be stopped. There is no religion in the muslim government.

 

Yes we are.. Don't you know what the situation was in Iran or why?

Let's start with a few questions.. How many times did you go to Iran when the Shah was in power?

Did you ever notice the elitist circle around him who were direct recipients of oil revenues?

 

Saddam wasn't a Muslim.. He was a Baathist..

He was also a thug from Tikrit and he was our thug... serving US interests for many years.

 

Duh. *face palm*

Proof? I was under the impression it was planned by Al Quaida, who cased NYC before the attack, who trained terrorists in a camp in Afghanistan, who had strong ties to Pakistan.....unless that changed?

Who knows, you don't know, I don't know, could be anything. Hard to make a point with no point.....

...international law prevents this.

Nice ending. I wasn't in Iraq, ever. Will I? Yes most likely by the end of this year, or some other desert. I don't appreciate that comment at all.

 

Mohammed Atta and company weren't Al Qaeda, or Shia or Iraqi, they were university students and followers of Sayeed Qutb.

 

What is this Marg, more lies? Why are you compelled to lie to defend your laughable versions of ME history?
Please provide a credible link supporting this lie.

The Kurds had nothing to do with the Iran Iraq War. Saddam murdered them because he didn’t like them and saw them as a threat.

Now you once again deflect and obfuscate to run away from your lies and distortions? I cannot say I am shocked.

What in God’s name does this have to do with anything being debated in the thread? This is nothing more than another weak attempt to deflect and avoid the lies and distortions you have been caught in.

Once more what we have here is a person wallowing in idiot terrorist talking points lacking facts and a modicum of honesty and who when caught at it, runs off to the next distortion and lies.

 

The kurds were caught in the middle of the Iraq/Iran war..

Churchill killed thousands and thousands of them in 1920 with chemical weapons.

The US didn't even flinch when Saddam used gas on the Kurds in 1988.. He was integral to our containment of Iran policy.

 

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Once again your unusual version of events do not match the historic record.

But this is par for the course as is your incredible personal knowledge of every historical event in the ME.

There were no American Oil men in the ME at the time. Most of them were Dutch and British Oil men.

I don't really care about hearsay; I asked for credible reliable truthful sources. Should I be surprised that you cannot provide any as is typical?

 

Another uninformed Librul who never read the Joint Resolution on Iraq; cannot say I am surprised.

Read and become informed instead of parroting the idiot talking points of terrorists:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/joint_resolution_10-11-02.html

 

Ever heard of ARAMCO.. By 1950 they were splitting oil revenues 50-50 with the Saudis and so was everyone else .. EXCEPT BP.. they were giving the Shah 13% on the dollar directly into his coffers.

PS ARAMCO was in Arabia by 1938.

Americans were also working in Iraq and Iran.

 

Credit for what ? Libya is a giant mess now. It was pumping oil and zero problem a year ago. Now Al Qaeda gets thousands of surface to air missiles. Mustard gas munitions. Who knows what else.

Great job Obama. Jackass.

 

Libya's oil production is in its infancy because of his idiocy in 1970 and presently they were producing a small amount with 7 international companies.... 1.3 million barrels per day..

Do you ever study? You don't seem to know anything about Libya or the oil business or who is on the ground...

I can assure you that Obama has ALL that information.