Blacks Overrepresented As Federal Civil Servants

affirmative action has indeed been a blight. a blight for qualified individuals who were passed over in favor of a less qualified minority. but additionally affirmative action is a blight in our constitutional democracy, just as Jim Crow as a blight and slavery before it. Jim Crow discrimination was an internal contradiction within our system, a true legacy of slavery. Affirmative action is also a contradiction in our system which preaches excellence, due process, and equal treatment under the law. we need to finally, "practice what we preach" in this country. abandon all preferences under the law, including affirmative action.

 

Yep, but there is a big difference between parole and probation.

I have 300+ yrs of History to prove it.

Yea your right, whites only commit one crime and then they stop. All criminals are pretty much repeat offenders so that arguement holds no water.

 

this is exactly true! as soon as we as a nation realize that we can not guarantee equality of results, only equality under law - we can move past this final racist legacy called "affirmative action".

 

so you are saying that the statistics which show that per capita black men are the census category most likely to commit violent crime are phony?

 

Actually the statistics show that whites commit more crime. It amazes me how you want to deny property crimes, identify theft, domestic violence, white collar crime. Crime is crime is it not.

 

try the per capita results, not over raw numbers. of course whites commit more crimes than blacks, whites are a much larger % of the population.

 

Serial offenders does NOT equal serial killers....

 

Where did he say that whites only commit one crime and then stop? Oh wait, he didn't.

 

If that is the case then explain why they are not the larger % of those incarcerated.

 

Your right he just said:

Originally Posted by October78
12) The previous comment said "serial offenders". Serial killers are a relatively small percent of criminals in the Gray Bar Hotel. However, blacks have been shown to be overwhelmingly repeat offenders of assault, possession of weapons, drug charges, robbery, burglary, etc. With the 3-strikes laws in effect in many juristictions, repeat offenders get long sentences and less chance at parole. [/quote]


Last time I checked REPEAT means more than one or more than once, I could be wrong though.

 

Key word bolded...reading and comprehension.

Overwhelmingly, as in overwhelmingly repeat offenders compared to whites...as in there are more black repeat offenders than white repeat offenders. NOT that there are NO white repeat offenders.

 

Well if you make up 69% of the population and black folks make up 13% of the population wouldn't it be logical to think you would have more repeat offenders, just like you admitted you commit more crime.

 

It would make sense, yes, but it unfortunately isnt the case.

 

Of course it makes sense because that is how it is. The reality is what I said in the beginning, many whites receive probation while black folks are sent to jail and prison.

 

I had a friend back when I was a kid ( 20 years ago) His dad had a contsruction company. His dad refused to hire mexicans of any sort.. qualified or not.. legal or not.. he would hire women who had no skills at all before he would hire a mexican immigrant or U.S citizen.. this guy was a brazen racist.. he lost his business after a few years because of it.. he couldnt compete because he was in a geographical location that had a high concentration of hispanic americans and immigrants.

Just like banking regulations are needed to keep equilibrium.. so is AA. There is plenty of racism out there and its not just a black and white thing. One stupidity begets another.. Get rid of racism and sexism and you will be rid of AA. But there will allways be racist degenerates.. there was one proudly proclaiming it on this very thread. As long as they exist.. there will be a need for AA

 

http://www.sgc.wa.gov/PUBS/Recidivism/Adult_Recidivism_Cy04.pdf

This is just in Washington.

http://insightnews.com/commentary/5511-we-fall-down-recidivism-among-african-americans

 

Not exactly, imo. AA falsely attempts to make the equilibrium you desire a reality by state sanctioned discrimination. AA mandates that so-called minorities get the job over white males because of gender and race, in spite of a white male being "equally" qualified.

I suspect the more reasonable approach to the point is to get rid of the mentality of minority-status and you will be rid of AA.

 

Affirmative action is the antithesis of hiring based on racial, gender or sexual preference bais. To say otherwise is a lie. And I see October78 continues to preach the same nonsense.

If you want to see truth for yourself look up the actual laws.

Or maybe October78 (or anyone that supports that belief) will grace us with the law itself and explain why it's racist.

 

Originally Posted by October78
1) Good point about women. It is true women (including black women) are the main beneficiaries of AA, not because of being white, but because of gender. The reason white women have been able to capitalize most on this discriminatory institution is that companies have been able to find more qualified white women than black men (or black women) to fill their ranks and meet the requirements (race and gender) of the EEOC.

the precise phrase was "white women are more qualified". Interesting how you extrapolated that to being "smarter".

I suspect you object to the majority of football and basketball players being black when clearly white men have been sidelined in spite of their superior skills on the gridiron and basketball court, right?

 

I have not only provided you many times in the past with the statues and corporate policies that show how your misinformed view of AA works, but I have graced you with understanding and courtesy in doing so. Your penchant for calling people liars when your ignorance visibly overwhelms your thinking, is unfortunately a characteristic of those who wish their fantasy is a reality.

 

blacks males represent a larger percentage of the prison population because they per capita commit a larger % of the crimes which result in incarceration.

the blunt facts are: if the Black community didn't encourage gansterism in its youth and the belief that the nation as a whole owes them a debt, Blacks would not have a higher per capita crime rate than whites. in the period from the Reconstruction thru the 1960's, Blacks were not proportionately more criminal or more often incarcerated in prison. Blacks in the Reconstruction and Jim Crow period were more likely to be self employed entrepreneurs (with superior skills than most of their white competitors - hence Jim Crow was created to keep them uncompetitive) with a more stable homelife and stable marriages during that time, than now. The implosion of the Black community has occured at precisely the time of the Great Society and the rise of the political correctness movement in the 1960's and 1970s.

 

All you've provided were your skewed interpretations of the actual law or the misuse of it from other companies.

Your comments are pretty much a mess of insecure ramblings of a white guy seeing the benefits his skin color provided no longer getting him as far as it once did.

 

if you look at white women's IQ scores and SAT test scores it would prove that white women are smarter.

but then, all other demographic groups are too.

 

Your comments are pretty much a mess of willfully ignorant ramblings of a leftist ideolog living in denial that his solutions to social ills have a horrible downside that is brutally harmful. Kinda like Dr. Frankenstein, I'd say.

I've posted the laws and regulations AND how they are incorporated into business policy, which you are apparently unaware of in your sphere of knowledge or experience. If AA did not have effect on preferring minorities over white males and simply an anti-discrimination tool, the legislation would be unnecessary given that discrimination is illegal under many previous statutes including the Constitution.