Why did Rudd faulter?

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  1. Recusant

    Recusant Active Member

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    It's been a while now, and the general vibe i get from people (non-Libs i suspect) is that there is a sense of wonder about why Rudd got the boot. The polls suggest he's more popular than Gillard, but i also read that genetil warts are too.

    I think the big one was the ETS. It was when he dropped that, that it started to go bad. Personally, i was not in favour of the ETS. So that didn't impact my opinion of the government.

    So what do you think?

    He was too ambitious without a majority in the senate. I think that, ultimately, is what did it in for him - too many battlefronts and not enough successes.

    p.s. i know it is 'falter', and that even properly spelled, it is probably not the right word to use :)
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Firstly, the Rudd Government was composed of a cast of incompetent clowns, which showed in the pols. Secondly, Rudd stood on too many union toes.
     
  3. robot

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    Three things
    1. Rudd was physically sick. When he lost the leadership he went into hospital. This means that he could not perform at his best.
    2. Certain issues came up such as the ETS that were critical. These were badly handled.
    3. Gillard wanted to be PM. She did what she had to do so that she could.
     
  4. Oxyboy

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    Only a sense of wonder now her poll results are lower than O’Lemon’s and she’s still there, I think they feel they are stuck with her now. How much damage would a change do now? Poll results in QLD show Rudd would be the only ALP to hold his seat!

    The ETS? Doubtful? Only supporters of an ETS/tax whatever think it’s popular, but it may have showed a lack of conviction on big issues? Not sure.

    I agree too many battle fronts, but he tried to be the commander of every battle and seemed to roll out the incumbent minister once the schizen hit the fan. Seemed at times he would announce some great policy, that few had any idea of.
     
  5. Adultmale

    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    Kruddy Clown didn't faulter, man he was on a roll! He was so good that he was telling all the other nations what to do. "Listen to me!!" He trumpeted, "I've got all the answers!!". "Wanna change the earths climate? talk to me! Wanna fix up the GFC? Talk to me! Wanna stop the recession? Talk to me!". Kruddy was so important and knew so much that he spent most of his time telling all the lesser mortals, those fools who were the heads of other governments, that they didn't know what they were doing, instead they should be listening to King Kruddy!
    But all his fellow clowns in the Labor party started getting worried because Kruddy Clown wasn't making anyone laugh. So they pushed him off his tiny clown bicycle which was a funny thing to do and made lots of people laugh. Then they gave his little bicycle to the Gillard clown who they hoped would make people laugh more than Kruddy did.
     
  6. axialturban

    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    Question should be when didnt he faulter. No wonder they keep him out of the country on his Foreign Affairs portfolio.
     
  7. concetta

    concetta New Member

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    So its Ok for Adultmate, to make personal attacks on Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard and the Labor pollies, calling them all clowns??? But As been shown, It is not OK for Posters to to personally attack Adultmate. I agree with these post, that have been banned. Adultmate should grow up!!!! What more can you say, about his tiresome rant about how Dare Kevin Rudd have an opinion? How Dare little Australia voice an opinion on the world stage????
     
  8. Adultmale

    Adultmale Active Member Past Donor

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    But of course it is OK to say anything you like about Tony Abbot and John Howard, isn't that right concetta?
    I didn't attack Rudd or Gillard personally, I am sure they are both good company around a barbie with a drink. I insulted them in the position of PM, there is a big difference.
    Didn't say there was anything wrong will voicing an opinion, it's just the way Kruddy strutted the world stage, puffed up with his own self importance. It brought to mind a picture of a little Chihuahua jumping around amongst a pack of Rottweilers thinking he is one of them.
     
  9. DominorVobis

    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    :omg:
    I also was not making a personal attack on anyone, merely an attack on what they said.
    :twisted:
    If someone who says he is an adult then uses childish remarks, yes I will SAY SOMETHING
    :shocked:
    If this site is going to "Be against FREE SPEECH" then I will find one that isn't
    :disbelief:

    The substance of the thread is dead now anyway, so keep on clipping Mr/Ms Censorship
     
  10. Oxyboy

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    LOL, dummy spit alert.:omg::omg:
     
  11. Oxyboy

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    Yep, that sounds right, good for you.:)
     
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    I bet the Labor government is really kicking itself over their idiotic decision to allow Jooolia to be our PM.
     
  13. Oxyboy

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    Gillard will have to step aside or suffer the same fate as O'Lemon did.

    She is nothing but poison now.
     
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    She won't. Her ego won't let her. But if she does, whoever takes over will have a lot of work to do.
     
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    I'm hoping its Swan.
     
  16. concetta

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    Why did Kevin Rudd falter? firstly who knows what went on behind closed doors????, afraid we the people, they are supposed to serve, are being kept in the dark. One of the reasons I think is that Mark Arbid was in talks with America, about sacking Rudd a year before his dumping, as stated by Wilkileaks.
    That must of given the labor movers and shakers a whole year to discredit him, which I think they did, Maybe that is what turned him nasty, towards his work mates????.
    Its only my opinion, looking at the circus Labor is today, is it any wonder Rudd failed as PM, with an untrustworthy deputy Julia, a corrupt right wing, not to mention any names, we all know who they are. It was sickening to hear our then new PM Julia saying a good gov had lost its way. How convenient for Julia and her partners in crime to put all the blame on Kevin Rudd, When they are probably more to blame for his downfall, than he himself is, And they are more to blame than Kevin Rudd for Labors sinking polls
     
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    They won't win with Swan.
     
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    I'm surprised the clown party didn't give the Swan clown the boot the same time as they gave the Rudd clown the boot. Not only they weren't making anybody laugh but between them they pinched all the tea money!! The Swan clown must have had a surprise hidden up his sleeve when all the other clowns came to push him off his big rubber ball.
     
  19. Oxyboy

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    LOL

    Selective reasoning.

    How about his poll numbers where that low they had to knife the dud to save the election? Back flip ETS, border protection, failure to deliver the message etc etc. There are plenty of real reasons to look at, but………

    Oh know, it was America PMSL.

    Even a tired old blame the right wing ( you loops make me laugh)

    There is a sale on at Coles, tin foil going cheap, you can make some new hats!
     
  20. dilligaf

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    liberal,nationals=zionist.

    alp/greens - communist.

    2 sides of the same coin.

    Stop playing there games and wake the hell up.

    None of those parties will truelly represent Australias best interests.

    Only idiots vote for them too.

    Ok so who here is an idiot?
     
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    I haven't voted along party lines of any denomination for many years and have personally contested two elections as an independent
     
  22. concetta

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    I said ONE OF THE REASONS, for Rudds downfall, was Arbid discussing with America Rudds sacking, I never said America played a part in his sacking, My point was they had started to pull out their support to Rudd a year before his sacking. Yes I do blame the right wing of Labor, They have a lot to answer for, People like you are the reason, they get away with their dirty dealings they keep behind closed doors. Anyway if they had an election, in QLD, Rudd would be the only one that would be left standing, Apparently lots of voters don't share you view. I will not stoop to your level and, regard you comments as a joke as you have done to my comments. Yes Rudd made some big mistakes, but I feel he needs another chance, Rudd said on Q&A that he made a mistake trusting his Labor Team, At least Rudd says it as it is, he is honest, intelligent, and kind, To all you Rudd bashers he has proved you wrong, I don't believe all that negative hype written about him either.
     
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    I think I'm glad you're here, you're much more eloquant then I am.
     
  24. Oxyboy

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    LOL, what a love in!

    People like me are the reason…for what? What I am the reason for?

    If Rudd trusted his team why didn’t he let them lead the way on something’s? Seems like the only time his team were seen was when one had to be wheeled out to explain the latest disaster!

    Honest, intelligent and kind! This is the same O’Lemon we are talking about? The foul mouth, snot nose who likes to make girls cry when they don’t have the right food?

    I’d say you don’t believe the hype, because in your eyes Rudd could do no wrong. The reality was, he flipped and flopped and ended up poison and was knifed. He took 70+% popularity and pissed it down the toilet.
     
  25. axialturban

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    It was funny to watch though. The sad thing is the public fell for the 'moving forward' rubbish like it was some actual change in capability of the same people. Whats even sadder is many people seem to have forgotten how bad Rudd was and are going to fall for the same switcharoone again come next election.
     

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