Non Violent Offenders In Alabama Town Told "Go To Jail Or To Church" As Sentence

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  1. My Fing ID

    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you talking about? They are telling people to goto jail or goto church. That is most certainly promoting the practice of religion. It can also be said that the goal of converting people to religion is certainly an establishment of religion by government. It could also be seen as "cruel and unusual punishment" to require a person to attend religious services, especially if that person is not religious or if their religion does not hold services nearby. I'm not a constitutional lawyer but I guarantee, especially with modern day premise, they can and will tear this crap apart.

    Again, the constitutionality isn't the only issue at hand. Why should regular church goers not be punished for breaking the law? Why should religion be used as punishment for non-believers.
     
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    Kind of depends for me. If it's 2 weeks in jail or a year of church I'll take the two weeks. This assumes that both show equally on my criminal record. Having to wake up and goto a crowded building that I don't want to goto every Sunday certainly is punishment, even if I just sit there listening to radio playing video games.
     
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    I can see the ACLU crybabies getting into this one pretty soon.
     
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    *shrug*

    The "wall" between Church and State in some parts of America is really just a thin veil.

    My advice? Just stay out of the town and let those people be.
     
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    If Congress created The Christian Church Of The United States,THEN that is establishing a religion to the state.This is the part people dont get.The reason why our Founders did this is because under British rule,the colonies were under The Church Of England,and prohibited other religions.They were not going to establish a state religion,nor did they oppose the freedom of .No way did the Founders say hey,you cant pray at a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing high school football game.
     
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    Right,
    The Libs care so much about our Constitution,but yet say nothing while Obama and his politburo violate it all the time.
     
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    You are way out in left field Makedde. The police chief didn't have to offer them anything. De facto is jail. Here he is giving them a choice between the de facto sentence and attending church. For the 9% of the US population that identifies with being atheist, the choice is clear. And is no different than if they had committed the same crime in the jurisdiction of the next town, city or county.
     
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    I'll go a step further. We'll assume I break a law in San Francisco. It carries a 1 year jail term. The Police chief offers me a choice. A year in San Quentin or an every Sunday 52-week course on Global Warming.

    I'm going to take the 52-week course in Global Warming, despite not believing in that rubbish. I'll be sitting in that classroom taking notes, reading about the professor's false religion, snickering at him and not getting cell-raped by Bubba.
     
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    What would jeasus do?
     
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    What the **** at the people who are cool with this...
     
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    Clearly unconstitutional, but even as an atheist, I would totally choose church over jail. I'd get raped in jail, but since I'm over the age of 14, I wouldn't have to worry about that in church.
     
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    Even if I was an atheist, I would still take going to church every sunday over jail time.
     
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    Well atheists have the same options anyone else has actually. They can take the church option. In fact, the only reason I can think of that they wouldn't would be fear of being converted.
     
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    How so? I don't see it.
     
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    They aren't being forced, they have a choice.
     
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    Did the judge say you have to attend a Christian church?
     
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    Well that is simple isn't it? They committed and were convicted of committing a crime. In fact, I don't see any indication that the crime will be stricken from the offenders record if they choose the church option, so I think you have veered way off track.
     
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    You need to be in church, so this would be a good thing for you.
     
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    Enjoy your time in jail then, you would have made a choice for punishment for a crime you committed.
     
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    No reason to beleive that is a valid analogy. I don't see any mandate that you attend a Christian church.
     
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    Yeah right, right wingers are so full of BS, how about a mosque instead of a chirch!!!!
     
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    Why is going to church the only other option? What do they think that will achieve?
     
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    There are constitutional issues, if I get a ticket driving through his jurisdiction then I am subject to this.

    And again the police are not the judiciary, they shouldn't be deciding sentences.
     
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    Yes they are being forced to either go to church of go to jail.
     
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    Not much difference, how about if the police told you either jail or attend Wiccan services for a year?
     

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