If you HAD to vote for one of these as President?

Chomsky is an anarchist...

 

He is also a socialist...

 

I simply meant even without an official large state under control of a dictator(Stalin's Russia, Mao's China), deciding what is best with the seized means of production, it still produced the same results. The worker committees served as the unofficial state, and the militant arm of the anarchists is what scared men of enterprise into submission, whether threat of force involves a tank or rifle makes no difference. People who build and own, don't "voluntarily" give it away. And without the right to own, plus without the state, one can conclude libertarian socialism would produce only results of an extremely small nature. I see no Hoover Dam getting built with libertarian socialism. No interstate roadways. No railroads. No airports. Maybe a dwelling large enough to hold town meetings in. Unless Noam is convinced it would work now that all those things have already been built, but a solution can't be genuine if it has to steal results and can't produce them in it's own right.

 

Perhaps, I think that it's a very valid point. It's arguable whether or not these kinds of things would get done without some kind of planner making the decision making, in terms of infrastructure. In that sense, hierarchy (which the anarchists oppose) would seem to be inevitable, at least in certain sectors. They could elect a person democratically to do it, I suppose. It would be a test of their anti-authority convictions if they were faced with a large dissent who refused to go along. Would they use force against them, like what was done at least a few times during the Spanish revolution, although a lot of it was definitely voluntary.

 

Exactly. You know as well as I, that hierarchy came about through the natural order of human development. The wanting of more than any small collective could produce. The very essence of someone believing that libertarian socialism could be an option is proof of them not coming to this realization, and/or wanting us to go backwards. Now, one can argue such as I, that we are in a turning point of society where technology has allowed those at the top to rule through nepotism under a false flag of representational democracy, which was the natural check to such nepotism in modern history. Therefor, we are definitely at a crossroads. Feudalism returns. How do we get representation back?

 

Strength of character?

She changed colleges 5 times in 5 years before she finally graduated.

And she quit as Alaska governor long before her term was over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#College

 

If you HAD to vote for one of these as President?

I wouldn't vote...no one can make me vote.


Eclectic list though.

 

Please don't tell me what to create or otherwise.

If you don't like a thing, create something of your own.

Taking time to come on a thread, just to tell the world you do not like it...what do you think that makes you look like, to others?

Any guesses?

Thanks

 

Modern anarchist thought is an offshoot of socialism.

Think about it. Once freed from monarchy, the poor were being forced in a different way to subvert themselves to capitalists.

Anarchy is not about being anti-government. It's anti-hierarchy. Theoretically a democratic government that does not give too much authority to any group or individual is completely consistent with anarchist thought.

 

Colin Powell is the only one that I would trust to make sane decisions about defense and foreign policy, though I don't recognize a lot of those names.

 

Of course, you have to remember that no President or PM makes lone decisions.

You could have Daffy Duck as President, and there would still be experts in the field of defence, economics etc, who would form the real policy.

 

Is that going to be the next poll: Which of these cartoon characters would you vote for?

 

That would be too easy.

I would vote for;


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mPrhwpZ-8"]Pinky & The Brain Theme Song - YouTube[/ame]

 

Palin would essentially make it illegal or impossible for a girl raped by her own father, to have an abortion.

What does that say about a person?


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZITdTFfPY&feature=related"]Sarah Palin on Abortion and Evolution - YouTube[/ame]

 

I don't know.

I still want her to get really fit, get BIG breast implants and do a few lesbian pornographic videos (just soft core if she wishes) before she gets too old.

Other then that, I have learned to kind of tune her out.


BTW - I think that women make better politicians then men...generally (I think they suit the job better. Men are too easily corrupted. Women are too, but not as easily).

Just not Sarah Palin.

Bump her IQ up about 30 points or her arrogance down about 30 points and I might change my mind...

...but I still want her to get BIG breast implants either way.

 

What goes on inside your head.

Actually, we now know!

 

Hey...I think she is 'hot' (for a politician especially).

 

It's looking like a Chomsky/Powell team, going by the voting.