Killing Osama and Ghadafi is wrong

No but they should impose their will on NATO before NATO executes someone without a trial.

 

What would you want to establish in a trial? Osama, for example, already took credit for the crime we might want to accuse him of... he plead guilty to the whole world.

Regardless though, this isn't about crime: it's war. Osama never signed up as an American, he didn't join our club and so can't really be accused of breaking our club rules (laws). He also doesn't get the club perks like a trial to determine if he broke the rules or determine the penalty for breaking them. Osama attacked us. He killed our children, brothers, neighbors... he went to war with us. We went to war back. He died, we survived. Be grateful that was the result, cause the alternative wouldn't end in a trial either.

 

I never said killing is wrong, I just said there has to be a valid reason for it determined by a court. In the case of a fetus, its death is decided by a doctor that can tell if it is devoloping retardation or deformities etc that will cause it to have a poor quality of life.

 

He never plead guilty he made a video explaining why he thought 9/11 happened, but he never confessed to playing any part in 9/11. Not to mention a video can be faked, the court would have to prove that video was indeed him.

Ever hear of the nuremburg trials? After WW2 the Nazis were tried for war crimes, althrough the nuremburg trials were completely biased and unfair, using torture to get confessions, it was a trial non the less.

I am not saying Osama or Ghadafi are good people and would have been innocent if they went to trial, I am saying that if they can kill those people without a trial they could just as easily come take us away in the night and kill us if they don't like our views. It's like the KGB in the Soviet Union.

 

Moral relativity left to the decision of some bureaucrat. Thats what Obamacare is. I couold buy into your argument if you were talking about American citizens like Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. They were citizens and did deserve trials because they are citizens who even though they are Islamonazi losers deserve better than to be targeted by the government because they do not like their politics and terrorist activities. Osama bin Laden and Muamar Gadifly deserved their ends richly.

 

well I must say, despite how evil your stance is, it is at least consistent. you are an advocate of baby murder (abortion) defending a baby murderer (osama and maybe gaddafi)

 

Besides isn't there evidence he was involved in the first bombing of the world trad center?

 

I had not heard that. It would not surprise me however, he had his hands in alot of different stews many of which we will never know about.

 

There could be all the evidence in the world, until it is verified by a court it is wrong to kill that person. If I said I had evidence that you killed my brother, so I kill you, is that justified? No not until a court verifies that evidence should you be punished.

 

He was killed by his own people to whom he was clearly unjust and cruel. Plus, they are islamo's, and killing is what they do and do well, must be because of all the practice.

 

Nope NATO killed him. And Islamos kill not becaus of practice, but because of their nature. They are violent tribalistic semites and have been for thousands of years.

 

NATO did not kill him. They set the course for him to be killed, but he was killed by a bunch of Libyans.

 

True. Many Libyans probably don't deserve freedom, wouldn't you say? I mean what aren't most of them religious? That's not a good way to evolve.. /sarcasm

 

Nuremburg was a PR event to expose what the winners thought considered horrible humanitarian tragedies conducted by the loosers.

Killing self identified foreign enemies like Osama on foreign soil and in a time of war is not the same as pulling American citizens from their homes and putting them to death because someone doesn't like their views.

If you honestly feel it's the same, I would encourage you to have the Bin Ladin family report the incident to their local police and contact their congressman immediately.

 

I found nothing wrong with how Osama and Ghadafi were handled. Osama effectively declared war against the Western World and Ghadafi declared war on his own people...I was against what happened with al-Awlaki. The charges against him were not vetted whereas pretty much everybody knew what Osama and Ghadafi were doing without a doubt, while al-Awlaki basically was a cleric and also happened to be a U.S. citizen.

 

That's it? You base your entire denial over incontrovertible evidence based on that?

 

It was not a criminal investigation, it is war. You kill the enemy in war, learn the difference between war and the legal system.

 

No that is just a few things, watch the video I posted if you want to find out more, I don't have time to type out a long argument. The burden of proof is on you however. There is no proof for the holocaust except a few questionable eye witness accounts.

 

It's called propoganda, they could say in the media that you are the most evil person, go to "war" with you, and kill you without a trial. That is basically what you are advocating.

 

DarwinParty- Reading this thread, I honestly can't tell whether you truly are that twisted in your viewpoints or you are just trying to flame this board. First off, bin Laden was wanted "dead or alive" for almost a decade before he was brought in dead. And we don't know what happened in that compound, but we do know our highly trained soldiers don't fire unless fired upon first. Regardless of everything, bin Laden was a head terrorist which makes him a head target. If you have a gripe with the bin Laden killing, bring it up with the 9/11 families- don't spout here.

Second, America did not kill Ghadaffi- Lybians did. Besides, he was a homicidal, genocidal tyrant and got what he deserved. If you feel slighted, your issue is with the Lybians who brought him down and with no one in this forum.

Third, the holocaust really happened. It just did- there is too much proof that it did. I find it funny that you first put up an "anti-holocaust YouTube link" then later claim "videos can be faked". Think about that for a minute. The burden of proof is too much to consider that much evidence is wrong.

 

How to avoid killing soldiers during wars? By eliminating all wars. How to eliminate all wars? I wish I knew the answer.

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
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Osama and Ghadafi were not soldiers they were unarmed and begging for their lives. That is when they should be aprehended, tried, and sentinced to death for war crimes.

Don't you understand how tyrannical it is to go around slaughtering political leaders without any fair trial proving they did somthing wrong? Just because the News says someone is evil dosn't nesicarily mean its true 100% of the time.

The US has proved it is no better than these so called "evil dictators"

 

You mean all those Jews and gypsies, clergy and Homosexuals got a trial?

 

They didn't execute them moron.

 

Have you been sleeping? Khadafi's mercenaries were slaughtering the Libyan people who opposed his 42 years of crackpot rule changing, assassinations and terrorist acts.