Are you "too good" to get a menial wage job or two to make ends meet?

Maybe for the possibility of a promotion or a raise? I have a friend that works at a local grocery store. When he recieved his job, he was working at the minimum wage. Now he is getting paid about $1.50-$2.00 more.

 

Wow...So now, in addition to gas money for part of the week, he has lunch money for 2 days a week too? Would a CEO work for this paycheck?

 

It's a grocery store. I consider myself pretty progressive but if any job deserves to get paid minimum wage it's working at a grocery store. It's literally a no skill job.

Though I would argue that minimum wage should be around 11 dollars an hour.

 

If your friend isn't careful he might get fired so they don't have to give him any more raises. And he won't be missed because pretty much anyone with the social skills of a monkey could work at a grocery store. That's a VERY common practice at grocery stores.

 

Exactly. You wait until a job comes along that will enable you to pay the bills.

What if a job is available but it clashes with you picking the kids up from school? Paying someone else to do it will likely wipe out part of your wages. People need jobs that not only pay well, but are convenient, too.

 

In some cases, people are actually better off on welfare because it pays better.

People over here have kids and they stay home and live on welfare rather than go to work, because they get an extra hundred or so bucks a week from the government. Good on them, I say.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP8tTGfm4jU"]A Menial Job[/ame]

 

The thread OP, though it gave us a good discussion, is curious.

If every working class person in the country thought they needed extra money and took an extra job thered be no jobs for anyone.

This happens enough already with skilled people taking too much work. Indeed CEOs occupy numerous positions. Meanwhile so many employers moan that no one is coming to work for them for low wages out in the dusty fields somewhere.

In my country, decades ago employers stopped providing apprenticships for the young men and women, choosing instead to import whatever skills they needed or move abroad. To solve the problem of these young people thus unemployed the government vastly expanded higher education - now every young person is on some kind of worthless college course.

Now years later, after British businesses have encouraged mass immigration from eastern europe and elsewhere to fill the jobs market and employers wont train our young people. british businesses find that when they want people to train there arent any.

This makes me laugh, britains baby boomer generation of employers and governors can go hang - theyve made the mess, now they may lie in it. None of them will ever learn these lessons.

 

Well I think the ploint is that while coroprate profits have tripled and quadrupiled over the last few past decades, real wages have remained static, but don't let that stop you ranting.

Additionally, I agree that people should cut their coat according to their cloth, but this is only part of the equations. If profits are increased by effectively reducing salaries, then this also needs to change.

 

Gibberish. The franchise costs way more than a small company start up, and corporate McD's is what is being discussed, not individual franchises.

 

Would you agree anyone with a pensions should have it dissolved and added to the Social Security trust fund and immediately be given social security payments so everyone retires equally?

 

Huh??wtf???

 

Bingo. Beat me to it.

 

Originally Posted by TheTaoOfBill
Yup. But I don't have kids or a wife to support. Just myself. I've got a college education and a high demand skill. I'm never working for minimum wage again. If I get fired I'll live on welfare until I find a job. That's what the system is built for."

And, some people make a career of being on welfare.

So the answer to the original question is, for liberals, hell no, I won't work.

 

welfare is not permanent money. In most cases it ends within a time limit. Also it's not a lot of money. I have no interest in living on welfare. But I will live on it while I search for a new job.

That's what the system is built for. And it's there because it's beneficial to the economy and it's humane to allow for a government funded bridge between jobs.

I agree there should be protections against people using this as a permanent replacement for work. But there is no shame in getting assistance you qualify for.

 

I think some people are still thinking of the Reagan era description of a "Welfare Queen" that was proven to be a total myth. Reagan made it up, and people bought it hook line and sinker.

No system is perfect, but we all need to stop this constant attack of our fellow Americans who are down on their luck and blame them for jobs moving overseas, or other calamities.

It's our government and big business at fault 99% of the time, screwing the 99% of the population while the 1% dance around a bonfire.

 

He recieved his raises in accordance with promotions. Furthermore, he's a part-time worker, and a full time student.

 

TANF, which has been partially restructured by the Obama administration has a maximum funding period of 5 years per person. In comparison to the old system, AFDC, TANF is 58% more effective in eliminating waste and fraud. However, I would personally like to see a complete reform of the welfare system in which it doesn't allow people to live off it for 5 years. Instead, I would prefer a welfare system that works primarily as a vocational, educational, and employment program. It doesn't provide extensive aid over many years while looking for a job, but provides opportunities for people to go back to school, improve their skills, and then reenter the workforce to be more marketable. It also provides more opportunities for people to find jobs.

TANF hasn't lived up to its nickname, "welfare to work." Therefore, it's time for a change.

 

I don't work, I do things.
I never understood why anyone would do someone else's dirty laundry. I'd rather be a caveman

 

You take a menial job in this environment and you'll be stuck with it forever.

 

Anything special or do things just come your way?


Let me guess you have an exchange service with several local (pawn) businesses?

 

The whole attitude of the OP cracks me up. "Pay no attention to the crimes of the people that got us into this mess! Just work harder for them, with even less expectation of compensation than you already have!"

 

This is completely untrue. You want to know how to advance in the modern economy? You get an education, start up your own business, get vocational training, or invent something. Economic mobility isn't dead.

 

for one, I'm not the idiot who got hooked on child support.

 

It's the Land of OZ, and "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" with him. He' thinks everybody should be of the mentality to be first in line every morning to kiss their rich masters feet, and their arses on weekends so they don't “have” to work for a living.