Mike O'Neal, Kansas House Speaker, Emails Prayer Some Say Wishes For Obama's Death

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Agent_286, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Mike O'Neal, Kansas House Speaker, Emails Prayer Some Say Wishes For Obama's Death

    Huffington Post | 01/13/12 06:28 PM ET

    Excerpts:

    “An email recently sent by Kansas House Speaker Mike O'Neal (R-Hutchinson) to his Republican colleagues appears to endorse a controversial prayer that some say calls for the untimely death of President Obama.

    "Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8." That's the slogan an email from O'Neal refers to, a phrase that's become popular in some circles on bumper stickers and other merchandise. The bible passage itself reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." The real controversy arises in the next verse of Psalm 109, however, which continues, "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."

    In a message accompanying the email, O'Neal writes:

    "At last -- I can honestly voice a Biblical prayer for our president! Look it up -- it is word for word! Let us all bow our heads and pray. Brothers and Sisters, can I get an AMEN? AMEN!!!!!!"

    O'Neal's office has insisted that his use of the psalm was referring only to the first segment, which they say simply shows support for Obama to be replaced as president, via an election, as soon as possible.

    Back in 2009, The Huffington Post's Jason Linkins suggested that Psalm 109:8 was "the latest thing in 'Debasing The Institutions You Pretend To Hold Dear In Order To Suggest That President Barack Obama Should Be Murdered Without Actually Coming Right Out And Saying So.'"

    In some circumstances, endorsement of Psalm 109 with regards to Obama has been dealt with seriously. Last year in Florida, a corrections officer was suspended after highlighting the passage and referring to it as the "Obama prayer."

    While O'Neal isn't apologizing, outrage over the content of his email has sparked a petition drive calling for his immediate resignation.

    O'Neal's email supporting Psalm 109.8 wasn't the only email that emerged to stir controversy either. Earlier this month, O'Neal apologized for an email, also forwarded to his GOP colleagues, that referred to First Lady Michelle Obama as Mrs. YoMama and compared her to the Grinch.”

    read more:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-prayer-psalm-109_n_1205059.html?ref=politics
    .........

    O’Neal should resign immediately for this disgusting display of hatred. It is the same toxic cowardly type of invitation that got Gabrielle Giffords shot in the incredibly volatile politcal climate in Arizona as she was elected to Congress over a rabid T-bagger veteran whose profile shows him with an automatic rifle and inviting everyone to “a shooting event” the following week. And Sarah Palin’s ad showing her looking into th sights of a gun was also grotesque and distrubing.

    We should be over this sort of political threatenign stance by now with the attempted assassination of Giffords and also the killing of an abortionist, shot in the back, in a church during services. We are supposed to be a civilized nation, and any notifications such as O’Neal’s should be answered with a demand for his immediate resignation.

    Any normal person that is involved in public life, and sends such an atrocious thing, should resign without fanfare and get himself out of public life altogether.
     
  2. Minoru

    Minoru New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2012
    Messages:
    230
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A little out of taste, or very. Maybe a sick allusion, but I don't think malicious.
     
  3. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    .....

    I think it is a clear call to violence and someone disturbed or highly gullible will take it seriously. The ultra sick part of it is in the use of a psalm to deliver a message to other republicans; a duplicate of the shooting of Giffords where a disturbed young man bought a gun, bullets, and prepared for the day Giffords was to meet her constituents. He ended by shooting her and others surroundng her including a judge, and a little girl.

    I distrust anything violent in words or implication by an elected public official or anyone in the media that would reach vast amounts of the public, as in Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly who ranted on about how someone should shoot a certain abortionist: and some one DID!

    I think O'Neal's emails were defintiely malicious, uncalled for, and repugnant to any normal person. He should go.
     
  4. Hummingbird

    Hummingbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2010
    Messages:
    25,979
    Likes Received:
    507
    Trophy Points:
    113

    *sigh!* ... here we go again..... The AZ shooter was diagnosed as a PARANOID SCHIZO..... politics had nothing to do w/his psychotic state of mind....... as the rest of us know, tragedies like that just happens....... grow up.
     
  5. CVA-60

    CVA-60 Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,099
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And THAT is a blatant lie which you no doubt cannot prove. :rolleyes: Oh yeah, the dope smoking, flag burning Loughner was ALL yours. If he were free he no doubt would be a OWS as we speak. :fart:
    Oh BTW I have no problem with Tiller the Killer making backdoor fudge with the devil as we speak! :-D:mrgreen:
     
  6. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2009
    Messages:
    16,593
    Likes Received:
    415
    Trophy Points:
    83
    And I think you're quite mad. For a rational human the comment is ended to wish Obama's reign should end and he should be replaced. The mentally ill can read anything into it and will.
     
  7. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,159
    Likes Received:
    1,179
    Trophy Points:
    0
    His days are numbered. He's going to be fired by the voters in a few months.

    _
     
  8. greatgeezer

    greatgeezer Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2011
    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    So...........what's the problem? He said what he thinks. It's called the first amendment, you know, freedom of speech?
     
  9. Angrytaxpayer

    Angrytaxpayer Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,703
    Likes Received:
    3,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    People are stupid. If he dies he becomes a martyr. It's better to let the fool live and be put in the history books as one of the worst presidents ever right next to Jimmy Carter.
     
  10. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ......
    1) No one is saying that there aren't psychos out there in the public hinterlands. It is another reason for adult, constrained political rhetoric that does not seek to urge someone else to commit a crime.

    2) Then why did Loughner go out and buy a gun, bullets, and then deliberately seek out Gabrielle Giffords, newly elected Democrat?..."sigh"....

    3) A silly quote like "tragedies like that just happen" is definitely an extreme rationalization to take any responsibility for it away from the T-baggers. When you realize this, you have reached adulthood.
     
  11. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Messages:
    22,146
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    0
    However that verse is not the one mentioned by O'Neal, right? :no:

    You liars will do anything to gin up outrage and slander, won't you? How does it feel to be so desperate that you will invent issues for the leftists sheep to bleat over? Sickening!
     
    texmaster and (deleted member) like this.
  12. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    .....

    1) You really didn't need all those emoticons to cover yourself...and they don't cover an intended insult. Calling someone a liar cannot be covered by silly childish visuals...a personal insult is an insult and against the rules of this forum. NOW do you get it?

    2) Off topic, irrelevant to this thread, contains hearsay without verification

    3) I am quite sure that Mike O'Neal, who is the subject of this thread, is not interested in your private opinions.
     
  13. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mike O'Neil is obviously not a christian, so he's out of line endorsing quotes from the bible to be used on bumper stickers.
     
  14. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    .....
    1) hmmm, and I could say the same about you, but what does it prove?

    2) THANK YOU; you have just destroyed your own argument:
    "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." The real controversy arises in the next verse of Psalm 109, however, which continues, "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."
    ....
    Does not speak of "his days" in office but in life. The term "another" does not speak of an election, but of his VP taking office.

    Also the e-mail speaks of Obama's children "being fatherless" and his wife as "being a widow" proving that murdering the president was what O'Neal was talking about. Any other interpretation is pure rubbish.

    "Back in 2009, The Huffington Post's Jason Linkins suggested that Psalm 109:8 was 'the latest thing in 'Debasing The Institutions You Pretend To Hold Dear In Order To Suggest That President Barack Obama Should Be Murdered Without Actually Coming Right Out And Saying So.' '"

    3) Exactly!! As Palin, O'Reilly, Rove decided early, subliminal messaging will reach the highly gullible and propel them into action, letting them do the "dirty work" that a hired assassin would ordinarily do.

    Sorry PatrickT, you have lost this debate by stupid default, childish rationalization without verification, and personal insults. Bye Bye now....
     
  15. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    .....
    1) "In a message accompanying the email, O'Neal writes:
    "At last - I can honestly voice a Biblical prayer for our president! Look it up -- it is word for word! Let us all bow our heads and pray. Brothers and Sisters, can I get an AMEN? AMEN!!!!!!"

    2) When you have no case you resort to personal insults, that is when we KNOW we are right.

    3) The emial speaks for itself...another subliminal message for some highly gullible radical to go out an assassinate the president making his children fatherless and his wife a widow. The facts speak for themselves, and only an ardent radical that shares O'Neal's views would defend him in this instance.
     
  16. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Messages:
    22,146
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Very well done and well analyzed. This is a pathetic attempt by leftists to gin up outrage over a call to replace Obama's term as president. Only the weakest minds give it any credence at all.

    "Some" call it a wish for Obama's death, by Huffington's figuring, and the "next verse" in Psalms (not the one cited by O'Neal) says something else.
    How sadly pathetic.
     
  17. CVA-60

    CVA-60 Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,099
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Claiming O'Reilly wanted him to get shot was a lie, claiming Loughner was to the right was a lie, truth got your tongue? :wink: Claiming the monkey is pro America is just bull (*)(*)(*)(*). :gun:
     
  18. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Messages:
    22,146
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I can read the Huffington piece just as well as you can and nowhere in the post does it allege that the email cites anything other than Psalms 109.8 (which calls for an end to "his days in office"). Please stop lying about this.

    I have called a lie a lie and said that attempts to gin up outrage are pathetic. Your actions speak for themselves.

    Show me in O'Neal's email where this is advocated in verse 109.8
    of Psalms. Prove your lie.

    Only an ardent leftist would try to make a case for such a lie, weak though it is.
     
  19. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ......

    Quoting from the Bible for subliminal messaging to the mentally weak is out of line for anyone, especially in this case because O'Neil used it as a solid verification of the 'just cause' he was obsessed with: murdering the president. Proof of this is the following:

    1) "Let his days be few; and let another take his office."

    2) "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."

    speaks clearly of the president's death and not his next election campaign. Mike O'Neal should resign immediately and go back into the dark and dangerous hole he came out from.
     
  20. Subdermal

    Subdermal Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2011
    Messages:
    12,185
    Likes Received:
    415
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Good grief. What a deluded post. Seek help.

    :disbelief:
     
  21. Defengar

    Defengar New Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2011
    Messages:
    6,891
    Likes Received:
    100
    Trophy Points:
    0
    if Obama was shot, 50 years from now people would remember him like JFK. Rep's would absolutely hate that lol.
     
  22. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    .....

    Yosh...please do not demean yourself in that fashion; you are not pathetic...
    ...brainwashed, misguided, and desperate perhaps, but not pathetic..

    I think you would make a responsible Independent, with a little retraining. You should definitely look into it as you are now on the losing side.
     
  23. AnnaK

    AnnaK New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2009
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    83
    Trophy Points:
    0

    There are other paranoid schizos out there listening to this malicious and dangerous rhetoric. That's the whole point - it's the sickos who hear this stuff and act on it.

    When you say politics had nothing to do with it - are you saying he just picked Giffords and the people there with her at random? That he had no idea who she was and hadn't heard any rhetoric to encourage his sick mind to do what he did? That's quite a coincidence, isn't it? That he just took his gun and went out looking for some random people to kill and just happened to turn up at the shopping center where her meeting with her constituents had been advertised to be? Yeah, right! :rolleyes:
     
  24. Agent_286

    Agent_286 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    12,889
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ......

    ...But do you have anything rational in response to my observations? Like, in addition to the modicons?

    I think they express your feelings perhaps better than you can express them yourself....:bored:
     
  25. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Messages:
    8,582
    Likes Received:
    153
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The left-wing kooks are citing words that aren't in the email. So in other words, the email doesn't pray for his death. While I can certainly understand the desperation liberals are feeling that lead them to attempting to manufacture a controversy, there simply isn't one here.

    Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

     

Share This Page