Obama Says NO !

On that Pipeline.
Does this come as any surprise.He's governing to Hurt this
Country.Destroy Individialism,Freedoms and the whole notion of an
American Dream.Ushering-in an Entitlement Society where being a
deadbeat is actually encouraged { 99 weekers or those getting
Unemployment Compensasion }

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46041908

Best gift he could give the republicans.

Obama doesn't care about creating jobs unless they go to his liberal donors.

 

Can't you find more to pin on him? How about the weather? What about that cruise ship that hit a reef and sunk? Then there was Perry's "oops" moment.

"Destroy individualism"?? Really now. And you feel the unemployed are "deadbeats"? Sounds like that rightie insanity we hear about.

Please give specific data on how Obama is creating "an entitlement society", how he is destroying individualism, and how he is destroying freedoms.

I'm betting you only have Fox-type talking points.

 

Please tell us exactly what Obama could do to create jobs.

 

Leave Office

 

The Pipeline is an absolute No Brainer and THE furthest proof that
Obama is a belligerent poser.

 

How about the Pipeline.It's been thoroughly studied and found to
hugely be helpful w/o environmental concern.
Obama could OK the project this Hour if he had the cajones.
But he is a Belligerent Political shill.
Job creation would be immediate and ranging from 20,ooo - one million.

 

The Pipeline, open up drilling off the coast at more shallow waters where its safer, reform the tax code and guarantee businesses the taxes will remain the same for years if not decades.

And those are the small easy ways to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

But he wont do it because they don't all donate to the liberals or support liberal causes.

 

It seems that he's even thumbing his nose at them too. Unions want the pipeline. His decision placates the 47 hardcore Tree Huggers in San Franwhacko that decide the fate of the nation.

 

Hey let’s put a Pipeline right down the middle of North America …

Screw fixing the Public Roads that this massive Workforce will need to support it!

Screw Educating American Citizens

Screw asking the Private sector that uses YOUR Public Roads and Bridges.


Brilliant

 

Public roads aren't being fixed
Public education seems more oriented toward assuring teachers pensions, embedding liberal agendas into young minds and focusing on self esteem rather than educating
The Private Sector pays more taxes and fees than you do that go toward maintenance of those roads and bridges.

What else ya got?

 

I have to disagree with you here.Public roads are being fixed.
Both in my city and the big city.But Federal Road projects are
on-going.
Public Education is pitiful.Soley because the teacher's union is
a Liberal Lobby for Democrats.They care more about keeping their
jobs with benefits and using a liberal agenda like mandating Al Gore's
Bogus effort - An Inconvenient Truth - being shown to all public
schools kids.Or handing out condoms in Public High School.

 

That pipeline is far too risky.

"No."... is the proper answer.

 

This is what can happen in a Liberal world of playing favorites and
pandering.Obama is now in a logjam.He's got the Environmentalist
Whacko's to placate and Big Labor to please.He can't do both on
the Pipeline decision.So,he has to hem & haw and act like he's
taking his time.But hold it that won't flush either.
Remember the word ... URGENT.It was URGENT we pass his
Stimulus.Like right quick.No delay.
This is the problem Obama was bound to find himself in.
Saying one thing doing another.Making promises to one group that
another group will take offense at.
Saying he loathes Wall Street yet Goldman Sachs was his top donor,
even more so than McCain.
Now out Campaigning on helping the Middle Class when it was him
who saw little need to address their needs with taxes and job security instead
creating federal workforce union jobs and handing out Government worker
pay increases and promotions like Halloween candy.
Obama truly only has concern for Federal and Union type middle class
citizens.Obama has been found out,and that ain't Intelligent.

" Nowadays to be Intelligent is to be found out " - Oscar Wilde

 

"Hugely helpful"?? TO WHAT? You'll have to provide me with an unbiased and reliable link for me to consider that. The environmental concerns are huge. And your job creation expectations are so wildly unrealistic as to be fantasy. Only right wing extremist pundits are saying what you are from what I've seen. And it's all unsubstantiated BS that conflicts fundamentally with what authoritative pros are saying.

First of all, our consumption of oil is down with this recession, and production is up to the point where the U.S. is currently a net exporter of fuels and oil products and yet gasoline prices are increasing again now. So assuming that the pipeline would provide us with oil, which it most likely wouldn't, it isn't needed.

1) it isn't needed
2) the pipeline would be a big consumer of natural gas
3) the oil in it wouldn't be ours to control
4) leaks can be assured and pollution of sensitive lands would result
5) it won't reduce oil prices
6) the right only wants it because of two reasons: 1) it will increase oil company profits via construction and oil company profits are important to the right for some reason, and 2) the right is brainwashed by their corporate-connected spokesmen and propaganda masters who want more profit.

 

Obama has the labor issue with the Scott Walker deal in WS to get out the vote.
He needed to shore up his eco nut base since the BP spill in the gulf is about history without creating a decades long disaster.
He has the race issue won already .

So what does he lose ?
Nothing.

Big labor will focus union attention on WS and not the job creation or lack of it.
Unions will never support a Republican.
The minorities will never support a Republican.
The eco nuts will never support a republican..they want $ 4 dollar gas.

The only way forward is a MODERATE..not a ultra conservative minority bashing person.

 

Scott Walker proved w/o a shadow of a doubt that Big Labor are
a bunch of Liars.Walker managed in less than a years time to rid his
state of running in the red with a few Billion dollar deficit.He said he'd
do it w/o raising taxes and he did.Labor insisted it could never be done.
Plus Property owners will find their property tax bill lower than last year.
Look at the State of Illinois.They raised taxes a whole bunch and are near
default.Look at Ohio.Another example like Wisconsin of where a Conservative
Republican Governor can make all the difference in the world.
Ohio has actually gotten a positive rating for job growth potential unlike
under malfeseant Governor Strickland.
It takes a pretty raw bunch of Thugs to recall an elected Governor.
Yet that is Obama's World.Steal Elections,run off to another state in order
to not have to vote { Democrat Wisconsin State Senators } and ply the
state with outside Big Labor thuggery.
How many times has this Country recalled a Governor ?
That fact should bother decent citizens.

 

Where does the money to fix public roads come from?
...Gas Tax.

What would this pipeline do to the price of gas?
...Lower it.

What would Americans do if the price of gas was lower?
...Use more of it.

What would more gas consumption result in?
...Increased Gas Tax Revenue

 

Im not so sure about the bolded phrase. I have seen opinions on both sides of this. Some think it may lower, some think it will drive it higher. Until I feel confident in the answer to that, its hard for me to decide. Mostly it just seems like another handout to big oil.

 

How will gas prices go down?

 

The pipeline is a boondoggle.. and NO benefit to the US.

 

I will grab my trusty camera ( maybe not right away, we have a 7 day storm coming in) but when I do, I'll go and take some photos of our local Road projects being done where I live. As a general description of the work being accomplished; Where once were dangerous potholes there now are mounds of asphalt that can present the same danger as the holes they filled. We have numerous intersections that are now 'traffic circles'. Gone are the intersections with stop signs, turn lanes where 'the car to the right has the right of way. Now, if you are not familiar with traffic circles, and you're in the wrong lane, you can end up dumped out on the wrong street, going around in a perpetual circle or, God forbid, some other unenlightened soul coming the other way is confused as you are and 'Crash' the dread fender bender.

 

Prove that.

 

Actually no.
The company charged with building the pipeline experiences 12 oil spills a year in Canada, meaning approving the pipeline means millions of peoples drinking water will be contaminated and billions in environmental damages
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/17/297576/oil-spills-transcanada-keystone-xl-pipeline/

Also the study that concluded thousands of jobs would of been created include jobs created in Canada, India, and China.
http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011...one-xl-tar-sands-pipeline-isnt-a-job-creator/

Actually real scientific studies that include the environmental damage from the pipeline find that it would be a net negative tot he American economy.
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China's drilling in the Gulf and off the coast of Cuba (45 miles from the US coast), Russia's drilling in the Bering Sea... laterally... and sucking the oil from under Alaska.

The pipeline is the least of the government's interventions in the oil industry.