End Affirmative Action

That's all I need to know right there. If you own a business... you hire the most qualified person, every time.

This is why you and many other liberals will never own a business.

 

End Affirmative Action .......ASAP !!!

F (F for Fig) the PC BULLSHEET !!!

 

The reason most liberals support/supported AA is because there was and still is rampant racism that holds blacks and other minorities back

For example blacks with the same education/experience get 40% lower wages than whites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_inequality_in_the_United_States

Also pretty much every major bank discriminates against blacks giving them higher rates, and lower qualities of loans despite the blacks having the same economic standing as whites
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/09/15/racial-disparities-tarp-banks/

White students have more access and get more financial aid then minorities resulting in 20% more aid.
http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2...hips-go-disproportionately-to-white-students/

The theory goes that this racism makes blacks look less qualified then whites despite blacks being equally qualified.
Now if this theory is true then all the blacks who were accepted due to AA would statistically do as well as white counterparts.
There has been one study on this and the results were startling. The fact wasn’t that blacks that were accepted due to AA did the same as whites; instead the blacks actually performed BETTER.
http://www.mat.jhu.edu/~sormani/affirm-impact.html

 

In speaking of the private sector.

Medicine is funded mostly by social security, medicare, medicaid etc. isn't it? Or at least half-way

 

You are making the right points. Too bad that some people don't know many of these things from PAYING ATTENTION in life.

Anyone who says (so casually) that AA must go, is someone whose words I immediately hold suspect; better to check out what they're saying. We didn't put AA into affect in this nation for nothing.

 

These points are so false it isn't even funny... Whites have more access to student aid?!?!?! You have to be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding me. Anybody that has ever went to college knows that is complete BS.

There are so many "minority" scholarships it isn't even funny.

 

Are you mad because all the facts are against your position?
I mean I know statistic history and reality have a liberal bias but really dont be mad about it

 

Just read your link for MERIT based grants... could it be the white students are just MORE qualified???? Yes. That is the answer.

Conveniently for you, your link from "progress" (liberal organization) left out racial scholarships. Typical.

 

That is only the answer if you discard all the data and facts. However since republicans always disregard the data and facts I am not surprised

 

Funny how you leave out MINORITY BASED SCHOLARSHIPS. Good lord.

Your post is probably the dumbest one in this entire thread... and that is saying something with how long this thread is.

 

(left winged ,cultural marxist nonsense....when minorities are coming up with world changing inventions instead of inventing pea nut butter and a new type of burrito every so often ill believe you..until then you cultural marxists are insane....its a bit like here in oz allowing hundreds of less qualified indian nurses work in oz while making our ozzi nurses pay for refresher courses...oh and ps 1 of the new indian nurses nearly gave some poor aussie person an overdose by administering wrong dosages of drugs.Put it this way the only doctor i would trust would be a white or asian doctor, you can have your wonderful negro doctors...)

 

Whites are on average smarter than blacks just like blacks are on average more athletic than whites. There is nothing racist about it. Minorities get an unbelievable amount of scholarships just because of their race. This is a lot more racist and unfair than a few employers not paying minorities as much.

 

That is likely untrue; not saying that someone cannot skew/spin stats to come up with what you think is true.

Depends upon how YOU apply the data.

Actually, I think it's not only 'believable', but documented as well. Even so, is it that you don't think that America owed Blacks and other minorities some form of make-up for discrimination they were (and in some still are) subjected to in this nation? If your answer is "no", then I understand exactly where you are coming from.

Maybe you can explain what you're getting at here.

Let the courts and experts figure out what's "fair"; they're likely to be FAR MORE OBJECTIVE about this, than you obviously are.

 

So WHAT did you put it in affect for ? To exact revenge ? To get back at racist whites of generations ago ?

 

Try being white for one day, and applying for civil service jobs for a year without one single call in for an interview (while being well-qualified). And then try walking into your local state employment office, and seeing 2 dozen black people working there. Not a white face among them. Try that.

Then go to another government office (county or city), and fingd the same thing. One of the problems is that when blacks get into hiring manager positions they discriminate worse than anyone, and hire only blacks.

Lately, in addition to the usual AA questionnaire, I've been seeing this YES/NO question asking "Are you Hispanic?" The computer drop down menu prevents you from saying "None of your d-mn business."

 

EARTH TO BLACK PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY ARE THE WORST VICTIMS OF DISCRIMINATION :

Just wait until you get to be my age (65). Then it won't matter much what color you are. You'll be disqualified as soon as they find out how old you are. You ain't seen anything yet.

And where's the affirmative action for us ? (older folks).

 

You could start a thread on that... but it doesn't address AA as most understand it.

 

I know Black people who have been through the exact same thing; do you think that is somehow unique?

Still, does that mean that White Americans don't work in that office? Or does your random visit properly sample things? (I doubt it.)

It is possible that people of all ethnic groups do that; and I say it is not right. Even so, do you have PROOF of what you say? Come on man... your feelings and perceptions may surely be betraying reality.

You can 'feel' whatever way you wish. Still, the fact is what in America... American citizens of minority status HAVE been proven to be discriminated against. And yes, the medicine to balance or keep the numbers reasonably balanced... is sometimes unpleasant.

Personally, when I was a child, I thought that discrimination and racism were minor... then as I grew older I began to see where I and others were viewed and treated differently; I witnessed on-the-job discrimination and irrational animus...etc. People are people, and we KNOW it. We cannot ignore what we know was/is going on; we KNOW that some people within companies and organizations are 'racist'; we do not have to keep waiting for some incident or offense, to realize and accept that AA serves a valid purpose in American society.

In time, I hope/pray that racism decreases to a level which all but eliminates the need for AA; but that day is NOT 'today'.

 

There is no question in my mind that WHITE PEOPLE are the ones who are being discriminated against, not blacks. Everywhere I go I see black people working, wearing company ID badges, and driving nice, new cars. The idea that black people are still being discriminated in 2012 is preposterous.

Affirmative action is nothing but a despicable, racist technique for giving blacks and Hispanics advantage over whites. It is shameful, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for defending it. I am 50% Hispanic, and I speak Spanish fluently, and I wouldn't be caught dead checking Hispanic on an affirmative action form. I wouldn't disgrace myself that way. To do that is to give away your self-respect.

You think you have to worry about being discriminated against because you're black ? Are you kidding ? In most places in this town (Tampa, FL), being black gives you a leg up, especially in civil service.

What do you think is the purpose of affirmative action ? Do you think a rich black person should get preference over a poor white ?

And you still didn't answer my question > "WHAT did you put it in affect for ? To exact revenge ? To get back at racist whites of generations ago ?"

 

Maybe affirmative action should address IT (age discrimination). Or maybe it should/could be based on economic class/need - BUT NOT RACE.

 

Say what you want... AA wasn't created and implemented for nothing. It will require a review from time to time, but I don't see where we should get rid of it.

 

Agree that affirmative action should be ended. Giving people extra points just because they are a member of a minority. Someone should be given a job or get into a college because they earn it......end of story..

 

And you also still didn't answer my question > "WHAT did you put it in affect for ? What, in your view, is the purpose of it ?