So if I understand right, you expect God to make a miracle and help all those people. Sorry won't happen because other people still have interests to created famine and disorder in those places. And if God would strike those people or simply made them disapear, we will get exactlly where I said, calling God a tyrant that imposes Him will upon us. God comes to each and every person that calls Him and brings him inner peace. However God is in a very big dilema right now. If He choses to help the poor ones and destroy the evil one, He will solve nothing because He want everybody's salvation. Even more He will push the humans even further from Him because He will look like a tyrant. However if God leaves the humans to their own will, here come those like you that expect Him to solve everything. That resembles Germany and Europe alot. Europe expects Germany to step up and help everybody but the accuse it of trying to dominate it. God will never again interfer in a material way. Read the paragraph with the end of the Flow.
Riiiggghhhhtttttt..... A world governed by god that is indistinguishable from a world that lives in the complete absence of any sort of god. Makes perfect sense.
God's promise to answer prayers is interference? You must have a different definition of that word than I do.
You don't understand English, or you simply avoind my points because you have no answer. The choice was made by the "intellingent" "developed" part of the world. If He punishes us we will call Him a tyrant and fight Him, but if he does nothing we accuse Him for doing nothing and allowing us to create pain and suffering. Sorry to say but this is liberal hypocrisy. So what do you think, that this man suffers of some genetical illness? Even so genetical illnesses didn't appear out of nowhere.
Yes, I would assume that providing food for your starving child would count as interference in human affairs.
I am not avoiding anything, I am simply sitting back enjoying the typical apologetic's response to the existence of evil. So if god provides food for the starving and punishes the wicked (he is going to anyway, so I am at a loss as to why you make an issue of this), we will view him as a tyrant and fight him? View him as a tyrant for feeding the starving? Fight him with what? F-22's? LOL Is he not already a tyrant? Our thoughts are eavesdropped on and there is one unforgivable sin that leads to eternal punishment and infinite suffering. How is that love? So instead it chooses to do nothing, and allow 26,000 people to starve to death today alone. Instead of helping them directly, it expects man to help fellow man. Which is great. But that is akin to a secular world view and a lot like Humanism. So there is a god there, but does everything to ensure no one knows he is there? Do you see the absence of any sort of common sense demonstrated by your argument yet? That fails to answer the question.
So, if I tell my son to not go and get a slut from the street because there is a big chance he will get SIDA it is my fault that he didn't obeyed and got SIDA? Let's imagine that by some means we got the knowledge to create a biological weapon able to anihilate three quarters of the world's population. Is is good to continue to develop such a technology just for the sake of knowledge? God doesn't stop knowledge if this is what you mean. Jesus said "Give the children to school, for them not to die like animals, because you will be responsible from their death". But if a knowledge is knowned to bring only pain and suffering it is WRONG and must be stopped instantlly.
You seem to forget that the Christan faith believes "this world" is a temporary thing. It's up to us to make it through this life taking as many with us as possible to the next. Our future lies in the beginning of eternity once our life has ended here. The thousands of starving children of whom you speak will have a much better eternity than you and your buddies who mock Him. Any more talk is a waste of time. I'm done with this one. Enjoy YOUR eternity.
What apologetic response are you talking about? Yes, because this is what you fail to understand. There are people and nations that want the suffering and pain to continue in order to be able to dominate. Anybody or anything that tries to interfere and make a change is by nature an enemy and must be destroyed. With the very same subtile propaganda you have been submited to. By convincing the people there is no God usind theories about how the world and human appeared. It's funny actually, we don't have so many answers and yet we have already drawn conclusions. What are you talking about? This requires no more words from me. You already said everything necesary. God shows Himself to those that want to see Him. No. This isn't an answer either.
Unless of course this is simply how things appear to us because this is all the human brain is able to comprehend with our limited reasoning abilities. The problem with this argument is that it posits that the human reasoning ability is expansive enough to comprehend the omnipotence of God. When realistically, it is much more likely that such omnipotence would include things we cannot logically comprehend such as contradictions that are not actually contradictions.
He created them already knowing they would eat from the tree. Had he truly wanted them to not eat from the tree, he would have either created them with a different nature, or he would not have made the tree in the first place. Unless we assume that God is lacking in omnipotence and/or omniscience, then the actions of Adam and Eve are still a matter of what God allowed to occur and essentially intended to occur.
...and if that's the case, why would a being create followers with said flaws? If we're designed to reason in a way that makes faith seem unintelligible, then that essentially means that faith is a reward for those less able to consistently reason.
That fails to address my points. Why punish a species for all eternity for pursuing knowledge? How is blissful ignorance ideal? Would it make sense to punish your son for his grandfathers misdeeds?
Your response. Then why does a god not interfere for the greater good? You failed to address the point. How are puny humans going to fight an all powerful being? Seriously now. The unforgivable sin that can be committed by nothing more than a mere thought. You do not have answers. Um.... no. Your question was meaningless, I was asking if the OP knew for a fact that the man was suffering from a self-induced condition. Any questions you ask are irrelevant.
Let's get back to the contradiction of omniscience and free will. If God knows with 100% certainty what I will do, then I must do it, and my free will is only an illusion. Strong atheism is the logical response to the Christian version of god, being how that version is so self-contradicting. While I don't know every version of god doesn't exist, I do know the Christian god doesn't exist, because it violates logic. (And without logic, we got nuthin' -- if a god is not bound by logic, then when it says "I love you" it may mean "I will consume your soul". Once you toss out logic, god becomes Cthulhu.)
No one has brought up the fact that the Tree of Knowledge was not general knowledge, but rather the knowledge of good and evil, the very thing we are discussing here. Perhaps the overall lesson is that we are not supposed to make those kind of judgements (hence God's decree against eating the fruit), because we don't really know what the "greatest good" is, or what would bring it about. Instead, we are to do as we are told, because the world we see and the information we have are an infinitismal part of existance. How can one determine the "greater good" when he sees only the tiniest speck of reality?
Well hey, if god is so powerful and loving then why the hell doens't HE feed them, you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag piece of crap? I know I'm gonna get an infraction for that but you deserve it for making idiotic moronic (*)(*)(*)(*)tarded (*)(*)(*)(*)ing insane posts about this topic
They are the typical apologetic's response though. - "God is all powerful, all loving, blah blah blah blah..." "Then why are their starving children?" - "Why don't you fed them? Eh? Why do you hate go so much atheist? Eh? Afraid of your waiting punishment Eh? Eh? Eh?!"
