Bump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration

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    Bump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration

    (CNSNews.com) - On June 7, 2010 -- about a year and a half into the Barack Obama administration -- the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued an opinion letter, giving the go-ahead to an after-market accessory that allows the user to “bump fire” a semi-automatic rifle.

    A company called Slide Fire had earlier sent its patented replacement shoulder stock to ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch, asking for an evaluation of the device.

    The ATF, in reply, wrote: “Your letter advises that the stock (referenced in this reply as a ‘bump stock’) is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility to ‘bump fire’ an AR-15 type rifle.”

    The device replaces the factory stock and grip. The replacement stock moves back and forth with the gun's recoil, allowing it to fire rapidly and continuously as the trigger repeatedly is bumped into the shooter’s finger. A switch allows the user to select semi-automatic fire (one shot for each trigger pull) or the more rapid “bump fire.” (read more)

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...d-atf-green-light-during-obama-administration

    The Obama Administration is who reversed the Bush administration to legalize the bumpstock such as was used in the Las Vegas shooting. BLAME PRESIDENT OBAMA!

    As the Democrats and media left rage about the NRA and Republicans over Las Vegas, these are the REAL facts:

    1. The bump stock was outlawed under President Bush in 2005.

    2. The Obama Administration reversed this decision legalizing bump stocks in 2010.

    3. There was NO lobbying effort by the NRA, Republicans or conservatives for legalizing bump stocks. This was team Obama's decision.


    There are many actions by the Obama Administration that appeared clearly meant to cause terrorist attacks in the USA such as this.

    For example, the Obama Administration granted a VISA to an Iranian cleric to come to the USA and go to Orlando - specifically to tell Muslim men in Orlando that homosexuals are sentenced to death. This purpose was not only on the Internet, be even on television before he did so. The FBI under OBAMA's pro-Muslim guidelines did nothing even when the Clinton supporter would be mass murdered admitted to the FBI that he had told others he wanted to kill people. He then did exactly as Obama's welcomed Muslim cleric told him to do and exactly what he had told Obama's FBI team he wanted to do.

    Do you think you will be hearing on the MSM that it was a REPUBLICAN President who outlawed the bump stock - and DEMOCRAT OBAMA who reversed this to make the bump stock legal again?

    The fault does not lie with Republicans, the NRA, 2A advocated or any of the other lies told by the MSM and Democrats. It was SPECIFICALLY the Obama Administration that pro-actively legalized the bump stock for the Las Vegas mass murderer.

    IT IS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FAULT THAT THE SHOOTER HAD RAPID FIRE BUMP STOCKS. President Bush had them outlawed as a federal felony to buy or have. Team Obama specifically reversed that to make them legal.

    From now on, to be accurate, it should always be referred to as "THE OBAMA BUMP STOCK" to keep the facts straight. The shooter was using Obama bump stocks.
     
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    But, but ... Obama is going to steal our guns!!!

    Argh, he's still out there, just waiting for you to close your eyes ... and then he'll pounce!!

    Our guns! Our guns!

    Oh gods, what are we going to do!

    Buy more! Buy more!

    Argh, Obama! Guns! Obama! Guns!

    Anyone have a beer?
     
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    She lied. She claimed the 1986 ban regarding full automatic weapons (by Republican President Reagan, which she did not mention) were a "loophole" to the 1986 law and claims she is closing the loophole. That is an outright lie. The bump stock was banned by the Republican Bush administration, with the ban lifted by Democrat Obama's team. She told the lie to try to hide the truth that it was the DEMOCRAT OBAMA ADMINISTRATION that specifically legalized the bump stock.
     
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    What's your point, Jake? That a bump-stock device remaining illegal would have preventing this mass shooting?
     
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    You mean buy more Obama bump stocks before the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS and REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AGAIN BANS THEM!
     
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    Oh gods! Obama wants your guns! He's under your bed!
    Quick! Buy all the guns you can get! Pay any price!
    The horror!
     
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    I'm torn. I don't have any use for a bump stock, I would never buy one or have one on any of my weapons. I live in California where they are illegal anyway. I reload for everything except the soviet calibers and its too much work to waste them with a silly stock.

    However, living in California, I am tired of the gun teatotalers and the constant writing of gun laws. That has made me take the stand of not one more inch!
     
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    Not having the bump stock would barely slow him down
     
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    My point is all the Democrat finger pointing at the NRA, Republicans, 2A advocates and conservatives is A BIG LIE when it comes to the Las Vegas shooting. It was A DEMOCRAT ADMINISTRATION reversing the prior Republican administration ban allowing him to legally buy bump stocks - that is my point. Every message attacking the Republican Party, conservatives and NRA by Democrats on the Las Vegas shooting should be edited to replace those with "Democrat President Obama."
     
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    I knew it was the bump stock as soon as I heard the audio

    And I don't own one either

    But my policy when dealing with gun grabbing liberals is not to give them an inch

    My guess is they will be flying out the door at the gun shows this weekend
     
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    Gods. It really is a religion. You have no need of the item, don't really see it's usefulness, but YOU WILL fight to the death to have one.
    Here's your cool-aide.
     
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    Not so fast

    Everyone has to help protect the other guys rights in order to protect their own

    Bump stock is not the threat

    Its crazy people who want to kill others that we have to worry about
     
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    It would have slowed him down some, not a lot. Feinstein always talks like a idiot when she talks about fire arms. No, with a semi auto you are not limited to 40 to 60 rounds per minute. But for outright just spraying bullets, a bump stock is faster.

    I have no problem banning bump stocks due to their inherent danger. Simply, for recoil the rifle becomes uncontrollable in accuracy and is just slinging out bullets. It has no useful purpose - whether self defense, military/militia, hunting or sport/target shooting. It's a dangerous and gimmicky novelty. They aren't defensive as a self defense upgrade and more along the lines of accidentally shooting other people in reality. They are ideal for unaimed wide dispersion spraying out bullets, nothing else.

    While I understand the "no more anti-gun laws" view, candidly it would be wiser to just go ahead and quick pass this to have done something than to invite a full battle over so-called "assault rifles," risking ending up with California style laws. Historically, President Trump was never hardcore 2A and there are enough Democrats-in-Republican clothing that a far more sweeping set of restrictions would be passed.
     
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    So you are another Democrat intensely fighting the Democratic Party's war against truth for which to be persuasive it is believed the thing to do is lie? That member never even hinted he wanted a bump stock. He said he does not want more anti-gun rights laws. To the contrary, he said he would never buy one.

    In your trolling rant, you post an outright lie claiming he stated he will "fight to the death to have one."

    Do you REALLY think lying about and at other members is persuasive to anyone? Really?
     
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    Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., said Congress should examine the Obama administration's approval of the accessory.

    “We need to determine what happened in 2010 when the Obama administration approved those -- the why, the what, what was the process they were going through to do the approval," Lankford said. "There’s a lot more to be able to be discovered.” ....snip~
     
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    Obama Derangement Syndrome duly noted.

    Carry on. :salute:
     
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    CNS News claimed that Obama was going to get rid of the Statue of Liberty because he found it offensive.
     
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    I can live with the banning of a bump stock, I wouldn't even notice. I just don't want the camel's nose under the tent. You can't reason with gun grabbers. If we give on bump stocks this time, we will give something every time. And do you think if bump stocks had never been invented this madness wouldn't have happened? First report of shots fired 10:08, confirmed one suspect down 11:58. A bolt action .30-06 would kill a lot of people in that amount of time.
     
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    PS, I fired an AR with a bumpstock one time. My comment? Handed it back saying "that plastic is a P.... O..... S.....!"

    With a firearm, you aim at what you are trying to hit, not just throw a bunch of bullets off in a general direction, which is what a bump stock does.
     

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