12-28-2020 UPDATE: The truth about 'assault weapons' and mass shootings in the US:

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    The number of people murdered in mass shootings fell 92.3% from 2019 to 2020
    The number of people murdered in mass shootings fell 4.5% from 2018 to 2019.
    The number of people murdered in mass shootings fell 38.7% from 2017 to 2018.

    According to Mother Jones (link below), from 1982 thru 2020, 'assault weapons' accounted for 401 mass shooting deaths; handguns accounted for 439 such deaths.
    This works out to 10.28 (44.70%) and 11.26 (48.94%) deaths per year, respectively.

    10.28 deaths/year in mass shootings with ‘assault weapons’ represents 0.08474% of all murders
    10.28 deaths/year in mass shootings with ‘assault weapons’ represents 0.120332% of all firearm-related murders

    In addition:
    -1982-2020, in16 mass school shootings of all kinds, 142 deaths resulted for an average of 3.64 deaths per year.
    -73 of these deaths, 51.41%, involved the use of an ‘assault weapon’, for an average of 1.62 deaths per year. On average, 3-4x more kids are killed each year in school bus accidents.

    And so, with more than 20 million 'assault weapons' in the US, slightly over 10 people per year are murdered with same; these murders represent ~0.1% of all firearm related murders.
    Thus, further proof there is no sound argument, practically or constitutionally, for banning 'assault weapons'.

    Source:
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
    Notes:
    - In compiling this information from the MJ spreadsheet, I was as inclusive as I could be - for instance, some events involved the use of a Mini-14/30 and M1 carbine which are not necessarily 'assault weapons' while others included the TEC-9 and MAC-11, which are oversized handguns rather than rifles. I included them in the total.
    - The Obama administration, seeking to bolster its gun control agenda, changed the definition of 'mass shootings' in 2013 to include 3, rather than 4, deaths per incident. As these shootings are not represented in the data set prior to 2013, they are excluded from the data set from 2013 and later.
     
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    I agree ALL WEAPONS NEED TO GO, NOT JUST ASSAULT WEAPONS !!!!!
     
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    Quickest fix, move to England, you might enjoy that and their politics too!
     
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    Meh. Don't feed the troll.
     
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    I wasn't I was dead serious! It's the only way he/she will ever live in that environment..
     
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    That is great news! I wonder if covid had anything to do with it.
     
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    There are always people available to shoot, should you be of a mind to shoot them.
     
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    cristiansoldier Well-Known Member

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    A lot less choices though. Schools, restaurants, theaters, malls, public places are all well below capacity.
     
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    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

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    But AR Ghost Guns are so scary!!!

     
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    Walmart. Kroger. You can always find a group of people.
     
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    Gun murders and shootings ARE UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY so I doubt your numbers.
     
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    Still less choices. Regardless I hope you are correct and we continue to see decline in these numbers.
     
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    It's nearly axiomatic that a person's knowledge of firearms is inversely proportional to their desire to make it as hard as possible for people to own and use them.
     
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    Never mind all those silly facts. An AR-15 is scary. Like Uncle Joe says, “Buy a shotgun.”

     
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    There’s the one positive of COVID.
     
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    TOG always twists facts to suit his narrative - guns are better tha religion for him, and just as disgusting.
     
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    I accept your concession of the point.
    As usual.
     
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    I bet he responds with something about a “concession”

    edit: haha...just like clockwork he did. Too funny
     
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    Please cite soecifically which facts have been "twisted" as you allege.

    Ad hominem fallacy. Your fellow forum member is not the topic of this thread.
     
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    Mostly in democratic controlled cities because they have reduced the police presence.
     
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    Interesting position. So we should disarm law enforcement?
     
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    We should get rid of baseball bats?
     
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    Confiscating all the rocks and sticks will be a challenge!
     
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    How will we cut our food?
     
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    Prison utensils!

    Edit: The government will cut our food for us!
     
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