1,300 children dead

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  1. Jimmy79

    Jimmy79 Banned

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    Didn't get past the first sentence.


    Can anyone cite a single case of a gun killing someone?

    I can't think of one.
     
  2. Bowerbird

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    No you FENCE your pools and do the "kids alive do the five"

     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    that is not the question - the question should be - how do you reduce that toll?
     
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    You quoted a part of the study stating that firearms were responsible. I'm just wondering if you can cite a specific example.
     
  5. Texan

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    So don't give kids unsupervised access to guns and give them gun safety training. Good idea.
     
  6. DoctorWho

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    Again, when you study the numbers of those deaths, actual cases, these children are being killed in Cities with maximum Gun control !
    New York City is a prime example.
    Harlem has almost zero Legal Gun Owners, those Ghettos are also Cess pools of Drugs, Gangs, Prostitution, illegal Gambling, theft, Robbery etc......
    Children are killed daily in Gang wars.
    Taking away Guns from people living in peaceful Neighborhoods will not reduce crime by Minorities in the Ghetto.
     
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    Oh look -- another fallacious appeal to emotion.
    Thinking, rational, reasoned, people are not swayed by fallacious arguments -- why are you?
     
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    You don't do it with gun control and I've offered plans that would be quite effective, but the left doesn't want to consider any plan that does not include language that specifically mentions gun control. The right, drunk on power, does not believe in activism.

    If you want to reduce the toll, maybe you should consider the solutions I've presented on this board many times. Employ that and watch those numbers drop.
     
  9. Rucker61

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    1. Allow individual access to NICS so that private sales can utilize the background check process. Sen Coburn sponsored a bill that would be very effective for this.
    2. Exempt CCW and LEO from background checks.
    3. Arrest those who commit felonies while attempting to get guns. In 2010, 76,000 applicants were denied permission to purchase a firearm via the NICS and state systems. 39,000 of these were denied for previous felony convictions. Only 13 (13!) were convicted. We still have tens of thousands of people who committed a felony by lying on the Form 4473 and have a violent past free to find guns through illegal means. Given that a violent felon is looking for a gun, how many violent crimes could be prevented by arresting and incarcerating these felons? https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
    4. Focus on the gun dealers and sellers who sell large amounts of guns to ineligible buyers. If the Brady Campaign knows who they are, then ATF knows who the major sellers are.
    5. Mandatory sentences for those who use guns in acts of criminal violence. Stop plea bargaining away gun crimes. http://chicagoreporter.com/thousand...-being-dismissed-cook-county-criminal-courts/
    6. Extend the legal possession geographies for CCW holders.
    7. Go arrest the criminals who have guns illegally now - don't wait for them to commit a crime.
     
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    You stop letting irresponsible people breed, since those are the people that kill their children regardless of the method.

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  11. TheResister

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    I respectfully disagree with all of the above.

    Background checks are a violation of the Fourth Amendment AND they negate the idea that a man is presumed innocent. Violating a person's Fourth Amendment Rights in order to exercise Second Amendment Rights makes a mockery out of the Constitution.

    The correct way to deal with this is to keep the bodies of the wrong hands in jails, prisons, and / or protective custody. We need serious prison reform that would actually rehabilitate people and then return them back into society with their unalienable Rights intact.

    People who commit acts of murder, mayhem, actual sex crimes, and other heinous acts don't need to be running amok in our society. Neither do we need to take a person's complete life away from them if they are willing to submit to a rehabilitation program while in prison.
     
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    Even when gun owners chime in, they usually cave in to the left with advocating a bigger and more intrusive government. More background checks, licenses, permits, harsher treatment by way of longer prison sentences. Guess I will have to be redundant.

    America has, at any given time 14 MILLION people who have a criminal record. If prisons and jails could fix crime, the United States would have the lowest crime rate in the world as we lead the way in the number of people in prison. Our jails and prisons have become universities for training future criminals. Of those people in prison who are under 21, about 67.6 percent of them will be rearrested within five years.

    I would have serious prison reform that requires mandatory sentencing with the only early outs (probation / parole) to be dependent upon the following:

    A) Nobody gets any consideration for early release without earning a GED at a minimum

    B) Job training in a transferable job skill

    C) Take courses in basic life skills like balancing a checkbook, planning a budget, interviewing for a job, getting a house / apartment, obtaining credit, cleaning a house, etc.

    D) Removal of tattoos (especially gang related)

    E) No illegal or gang activity while incarcerated

    F) Drug rehab if applicable

    In prison there should be NO coffee, tea, sodas, candy, cake, cookies, cigarettes, radios, tvs, or new tattoos put on their bodies allowed. Prisoners can opt for the rehabilitation or do every day of their sentence.

    That is a low cost program that requires no more of this trying to resolve the problem with a bigger and more intrusive government.
     
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    So, you do not know how gun sales are conducted.
    No Gun manufacturer, dealer / store is directly selling large amounts of Guns to persons prohibited from owning guns.

    Multiple handgun sales to one buyer, over 5, is reported to BATF.
     
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    Two or handguns purchased within the same week by the same buyer is reported to ATF.
     
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    Perhaps my sentence wasn't clear. There are shops who sell large amounts of firearms. They sell them to lawful purchasers. In some cases, those guns end up in the hands of prohibited persons. That's the whole premise behind the ATF operations Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious. While the gun shops are not necessarily breaking the law, they can certainly identify those sellers who purchase large numbers of firearms on a periodic basis who are not themselves FFLs. Those are the ones to be investigated.
     
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    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2017/06/leftmedia-use-children-to-push-anti-gun.html?m=1
    I knew when the story first broke the BM, and leftist media would find a way to beeeeeend the statistics
     
  18. DoctorWho

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    So you are Anti Gun.
    Your statements are clearly Anti Gun.
     
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  19. Rucker61

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    Oh, absolutely. Your reading comprehension seems lacking.

    Do you think we should be working to stop gun trafficking?
     
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    Small price to pay for freedom
     
  21. DoctorWho

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    My comprehension is fine.

    Obtuse, is it deliberate ?

    Gun trafficking is not causal related to casual purchasers.
    Gun traffickers facilitate Guns for people living in areas, New York City, with very strict Gun control even on rifles and shotguns and of course all ammo.

    However, Gun control cannot stop illegal sales.
    Sometimes entire shipments leaving factories are hijacked.

    The only way to accomplish anything is to arrest the criminal Gun traffickers and prosecute them, leaving the vast majority of law abiding gun owners alone.
     
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    That's my whole point. I'm not looking to arrest, prosecute or harass law abiding gun owners.
     
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    No, no, no, no, no,.........they're "children".
     
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    Stop feeding vermin and let them die off
     
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    The answer to the presented question is complex. It is not something that can be neatly categorized, and fit into a thirty second soundbyte format for presentation to various news outlets. To properly address the question, it is necessary to refrain from looking at the device, and instead focus on the individual using the device. It is necessary to blame the individuals that show a complete disregard for the well being of others, and care about nothing but their own interests, regardless of how much they are hurting others.
     

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