10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Balls!! said he queen...IF I had them I'd be king!

    One example we are involved with is mentoring a few kids one day each week...the same 2-3 kids per adult in grades 6-12. We help them with course study, make ourselves available to just listen to them about any topic without judging, and once each month we let them pick a place for lunch which is paid for by the mentors. It works great for the few kids involved but is impractical to do for all kids. IMO public schools need to educate without requiring parental involvement...however this can be achieved...
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately you choose to ignore FACTS...fact is lots of kids don't have capable parents!! So if you require parental involvement then it is guaranteed from the get-go that many will fail. Why ignore something we know? When we know the problem areas it is incumbent upon us to design systems that work in spite of the known problems...
     
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    They could if they wanted to.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    At least 60% of a child's education is parental input (even when it's limited to modelling the importance of education), yet you would ask schools to pick up that 60%+ for every child? Insane. What else would you have govt do to relieve parents of responsibility?
     
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    No, it is incumbent upon us to NOT BE SUCH PARENTS.

    You are effectively saying that Govt should raise our kids, because it's too much to ask of parents.
     
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    the social resistance would be enormous in many countries...the USA never...
     
  7. wyly

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    you're right but you know that'll never happen it would like trying to legislate the end of stupidity, govt needs to step in where it can and assist kids who are burdened with terrible parents
     
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    Keep on point what does any of this have to do with educating borderline morons, would good parents fix a naturally poor mind or the best teacher magically raise their IQ by 17 points to at least be average? No. So what do we do about the real issue these kinds of people and more and more those with low IQs are being made less and less employable as well. In fifty years even an average IQ might not be enough unless one has some special talent.

    But lets stick to near morons right now what fix do you recommend if the person has a IQ so low the armed forced are barred by law from drafting them during assumed wartime situation so dire they are drafting?

    My take declare them too disabled to be readily employed and put them on SSI and general welfare with a guardian to handle their affairs. Its all that can be done.
     
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    Curious where you dig up your 60% number?

    No matter, I offered a solution and you don't. There is NO possible way to FORCE all parents to assist their kids! Using your whacked numbers what about the other 40%?
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Now you're making up stuff like 'raising'?? This is about education and presumably how we can do better?
     
  11. wyly

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    I don't about your military but mine doesn't take illiterates and how they score on entrance exams determine what they can do, the bottom of pile are given jobs they can do within their capabilities they're not trained for being admitted for pilot training...

    for severely handicapped such as "downs syndrome" they can often to trained to do menial tasks and they feel proud to be doing them...those worse than that are in life long care institutes
     
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    IQ is not genetic. It's a product of parental engagement in infancy and early childhood. It CAN be 'caught up' in later childhood, and somewhat in teen and younger adult years.
     
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    I said AT LEAST 60%. Specialist teachers of the academically gifted will say it's more likely 80%.

    Who said anything about force? This is a simple choice, which every new parent makes.
     
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    How well a child does at schools is almost entirely contingent upon how they were raised. If you're not aware of that connection, you are probably not sufficiently informed to be having this conversation.
     
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    That's not true. Intelligence is partially genetic, and can only be partially compensated for later.
     
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    You can't fix them if the parents don't come along for the ride. All you can do is apply bandaids.

    We should not be seeking to change the education system. While kids continue to do exceptionally well in our public schools (and many do), we know it's working just as it should, and probably better than it needs to.
     
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    Well, no. But that's your burden, and the burden of your kids, to bear.

    The minute you allow yourself the luxury of believing IQ is genetic, is the minute you stop parenting to the degree that kids need.
     
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    Did you notice the word 'partially' in there? Parents need to look after their chlldren too.
     
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    not genetic/...not sure if I agree with that, I always assumed it was partly genetic but I confess I've never asked an expert, I'll send a txt to my buddy the Neurologist and see what he has to say and get back to you on that.

    I've wondered why seemingly dull parents have a a bright child or bright parents have a dull child...maybe those dull parents were never tested and are bright and got an opportunity to develop? maybe those dull children were never motivated to try?

    I do agree that it changes through one's lifetime, prenatal and early child health, life experiences/environment, educational exposure will all shape it, it can go up and even down as you age.
     
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    yes for the most part our education works well but there's no reason why should give up on those with crappy or incompetent parents..where I live the public schools make the effort to assist the kids that struggle, failure to produce productive adults only adds to poverty and crime...a productive adult pays taxes and contributes to society...
     

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