100s of Thousands flee Germany to avoid the Islamic takeover

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  1. gnoib

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    Germany is not the US
     
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    Germany is not the US
     
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    Funny thing ... I've seen lots of "foreign" looking people filling low-wage jobs when I've traveled around Germany.
    Germany also needs skilled labor.
     
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    As I said there is plenty of cheap low skilled labour. It has problems to fill the apprenticeship place which will lead to a very skilled blue color job, Geselle and later to Master. The partnership between Government and industry concerning emigrants has been rather successful.
    Opposite to the US, the Tarief Vertraege, guaranty everybody the same pay.
     
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    As an educator, I've long admired the German education and training model. We should learn from their success.

    Plenty of cheap labor? From all over the EU...
     
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    I am a great fan, too. I went through it. At my time dyslexia, was not noted. I was considered a complete failure in the regular school system, but once I did my apprentice ship I excelled, aced it, became a Geselle and later a Master.
    Similar opportunities are given to the refugees/immigrants. Language is naturally a serious barrier, but the Feds and the industry take great pain with language courses integrated in the education plans. Sometime it is rather helpful to have practical language education on the job as an edition to the class room education. Getting a first class job education, helps with integration, too. There is more pride in having mastered Geselle in a profession, getting excellent pay and all the benefits and the chance of a steady social rise, than low level unskilled labour.
    Those folks are not idiots. The Syrians come from a good education system and most have from a rather young age learned a trade, on the job training, which is a rather good foundation for the apprenticeship system, were they now learn all the ins and outs of the trade and naturally with high tech machines.
    It sounds silly, but if you are a apprentice as a machinist, you spent the first year how to handle the basic tools, file, hammer, measuring instruments and so on, the hand tools. A kid from Syria who has worked from 14 years of age in uncles machine shop knows those tools, a German kid with 16 or 18 probably not. But a kid from Germany is far more at ease with apps, electronic devices and so on.
     
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    A childhood friend was diagnosed with dyslexia in the 1950s after his father went to bat for his son. He took Bill to UCLA (a major university in Southern California) and got him help. Bill blossomed, started doing well in school, and eventually went to university. I was blown away when Bill explained to me how he saw letters. None of the kids on the street thought Bill was dumb because he was so good at building wooden forts and racers.
    Language immersion is essential.
    Ditto Iranians. Check online for the Iranian-Canadians lost on the airliner shot down outside Tehran recently. There were some incredibly smart people killed.
    I taught computer science for a number of years and worked with the Industrial Education Department to get CAD/CAM in the school. We got a company to provide us with a computerized milling machine and we started teaching students to use AutoCAD. I left the school soon after everything was up and running, but my former colleagues set up a pipeline with a local college teaching advanced skills and a lot of kids at the school got a career out of the training that started at age fifteen.

    That was 25 years ago and the program is still going strong.
     
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    Dyslexia became recognized in the 70 in Germany, but till than, it was painstakingly work for the parents to help the kid. When it came to math the German language was not very helpful. In English for example 21 is 20 plus 1, in German it is 1 plus 20, for me writing spelling is a picture, my 21 picture is 12 in German.
    I can read manuals, but they do not form a picture, I look at a machine and know how it works and than read the manual and it ads to the picture. When I hand write my spelling is horrible, when I type my spelling is rather good, but I can not type blind, because I have to see the picture drawn in my head.
    I am rather good at Math, as long as I can do it in my head, if I have to write it down it becomes a mess, but the result is right.:-D

    Great program that school has
     
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    It's not our fault we WERE FORCED to fight against communism and terrorism.
    Total crap,
    I think you guys have become the lowest in the western world (first world), your standards and ethics are on an ever declining path.
    You think you are morally superior, but hey, you are not.
    Iraq, 1m killed, yes we all know the reason - weapon of mass destruction - give us a break, will you?
    Please build a wall not between Mexico and yourselves, but around your whole country. And make sure no american can leave it.
    Cheers
     
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    So you hate America.. got it.. too bad. You are free becsuse of the sacrifice of Americans, your healthy becsuse of American drug and health companies.

    Pretty much everything that other countries have is due at least in part to America.
    .your country use oil from the Gulf?
    You're welcome.

    Anyone who hated America is simply biting the hand that feeds them....
     
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    Mate,
    you have s serous problem. The world has turned into a sad place because of you.
    You really think or better believe you are superior to others?
    Think again.....
    Reg.
     
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    Yet here you are thinking you are the superior one? Think again ...
     
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    The world would be a better place if we had destroyed the bolsheviks and the cultural revolution in China.


    Yeah the world was a better place when the viet cong were murdering anti communist whole sale. When American pilots captured by communists were tortured and murdered, which stopped thr day uncle ho thankfully died.

    Yes the world would be better with a Soviet union reaching coast to coast.

    Sure the world was a better place with Saddam Hussein invade his neighbors and murder the Kurds.

    Sure the world was better with the Taliban terrorizing the Afghan people..

    Has our foreign policy been perfect? No of course not.
    But criticism that claims America is bad??

    I give it the middle finger pretty easily..

    Especially to the French, who should be desperately offended by what i think of them..

    Again, you're welcome.
     
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    The whole business with dyslexia blows me away. Those of us who don't have to cope with it have no idea.
     
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    For now Germany is in a better situation then Sweden.
    For now ...
     
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    Few natural resources in comparison to larger countries for sure. Never underestimate fame or the art of self sufficiency. Your opinion is that of a globalist who believes everything relies upon 'trade'
     
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    Timbukto is world famous but also in one of the poorest countries in the world and when was the last time that the UK was self sufficient? Unfortunately, you cannot ignore 'trade' and the UK does not have goods to export and never will have unless everyone is prepared for a massive pay cut. The last thing that would be beneficial to the UK population is free trade
     
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    Few natural resources, period.
    Fame?

    A modern economy is not self-sufficent. The UK must earn enough foreign exchange to buy raw materials and products others make less expensively.
    You can survive with just the WTO, but you'll be much poorer.

    The Docklands are going to increasingly look during the week like they do now on the weekends as the financial center of Europe move to the continent.
     
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    We will see.... I don't think it will work out like that
     
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    That's the problem with most modern Muslims, they expect every place in the world to adhere to THEIR religion. I think anyone is allowed to hate whoever they want, but when you actually act on it, thats a problem. They (not all but many) think its OK to rape a woman because they aren't covered up and that is OK to attack gay people.
    I have a bunch in my work and they are all super nice and friendly but don't let that fool you. I had seen printed documentation at my company printer once that one of them were printing out. It was from their local mosque or parish or whatever they call it. It didn't say anything violent, but there was some messed up stuff like "don't let your children associate with non-believers of islam" and all kinds of stuff like that. Again, this isn't all of them and especially the ones that have been established here for a couple of generations. If they hate others, you would never know it. They have assimilated to most american culture, still practice their faith, and don't try to kill people that believe otherwise. However, these modern Muslims that practice more extreme versions of Islam are a major problem and don't appreciate the opportunities given by other counties that allowed them to even leave their 3rd world hell hole in the first place. It is a problem.
     
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    I hope not. I've been all over the UK and I really love the people. I want the best for them, but as a naturalized Canadian (born and raised in USA) I saw how difficult it was to get a free trade deal with the EU.
     
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    Very tough to do and than in the end, the council has to vote on it, it needs a 100% vote, than it has to go to the EU parliament and than it has to go to the National parliaments
    Look at MercuSur, 20 years in the making, finally a deal and than the French farmers lobby cried no and Macron has already a fight on his hand with retirement reforms and can not afford a fight with the farmers.
    Veto and re-negotiations.

    11 month, forget about it, a UK deal forget about it, this will be a EU deal, or a no deal, because all the EU heads of State have to say yes and it has to be to their countries advantage, elections are coming and if they sell out their country to the UK, they can find themselves a beach property in Arizona.
    This will be a brutal negotiation for the UK and the EU is rather good at that. The best and toughest trade deal negotiators of the world work for the EU.
     
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    Ongoing, just like in Syria, and in Libya and in Yemen. do you think events from 10-15 years ago didn't result in what we have now. The west created all the hate in the Mideast. First we took millions of Europeans and dropped them down in the middle of a arab nation after WW2, Instead of carving a nation in Europe for the jews along the baltic.
    We then conspired with political leaders that we placed in post colonial power to exploit those riches, When those leaders showed sign of not playing ball, we overthrew them see iran. They did not learn their lesson so we then arm Iraq to fight Iran and then after they bleed Iran dry we attack Iraq. We tell qudaffi to stop his nuclear program he does, then we start a civil war there. Isreal wants Syria emasculated so we back a revolution there.
     
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    you don't fight for your homeland if you don't have anything. You fight for your family. Only when that nation has provided a way of life for your family that is worth fighting for do you fight. Look at the average Israli vs Arab soldier. The serf army in Russia against the Germans in WW1.
     
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    And where did they went? I bet to Russia or Belorussia. There is no liberal democracy there and people are very very happy with their wages from 200 to 600 eur per month.
     
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