11 year old girl defends herself and home with pink rifle!

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  1. Mergun

    Mergun New Member

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    OK, now we are on a whole different topic. But I try to humor you and discuss this with you.

    First, sex is a biological imperative, gun handling isn't. Children and teenagers will sooner or later be looking to have sexual experiences and therfor it's important to prepare them, so they can make informed decisions about it. This doesn't mean that they are "trained". This doesn't mean that they can make decsisions on their own. Parents should participate and support their children by responsibilly helping them acting in a safe manner. You cannot train children, you can educate and support them. They will still make mistakes, since they are still humans and rather young and inexperienced ones.

    For gun handling that means parents have to teach their children how to use them safley, which has nothing to do with allowing children using firearms unsupervised. If gun use is part of the parents' culture it's their decision to include their children in this cultural element. If they decide so, they should to it in a way that doesn't endanger anyone. Leaving children alone without having guns locked away is asking for trouble. Remember, even educated and "trained" children make mistakes.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not a fascist because I care about public safety. There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional about gun regulation. All rights in the BoR are controlled and regulated.... they are infringed. This infringement is necessary because without it every gun nut would be walking around with a full-auto.

    The UK and Australia implemented a gun ban and I don't hear them complaining about any fascism, communism or socialism. Why is that?

    I don't see one "fact" there. 11-year old children should not be left home alone, especially with access to a gun. This is a fact.

    Taxation, really? The kid was put in mortal danger because of taxation? No, she was put in mortal danger because her parents chose to leave her at home. How do you know either of her parents worked?

    She did not "kick ass." She hid and there is no evidence from that video that the intruders even saw her, let along her pink gun. Do you have evidence that she kicked ass or are you just making stuff up to satisfy your rage?

    I love America... probably more than you. I have served and have over 10 years of gun use and training.... probably more than you. I care about the safety of the public... probably more than you.

    Not really. I didn't make any claim. I asked a question. :roll:

    Keep up the name-calling... it just shows how angry your side is. It also shows that you have no good points. :thumbsup:
     
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    no, that's interesting, because you only want me to view from your tainted eyes...........there's no sense making something out of nothing and then start laying blame everywhere you can possibly think of. That's not the whole picture. Abstraction is not reality. By simple definitions of both words, abstraction plays the "what if" game, so it is not reality based. It allows one person to expand the totally absurd and try to make it reasonable, Hegelian Principles and Munchhausen by Proxy because you actually believe the totally absurd works. It does, but only in the mind of the person inventing the scenario.
    Munchhausen by Proxy is where the arguer tries to make a point about something else that is totally irrelevant to point out something else and detracts from the real issue.
    None of these people did a damned thing wrong, yet you would diminish the event by blaming someone other than the actual culprits, the three guys that broke in.
    You haven't watched the video yet, have you?
    You are creating a problem where there is none and you want the rest of us to lend credence to the absolutely insane. 'bout right?
     
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    Oh, I get it. You finally admitted to it. You want to be the one holding the only gun.
    Australia IS already a socialist country. Their gun programs failed each time until they implemented a total ban. Yet there are still 550,000 to 6 mil guns still unregistered there. Wonder why that is........
    All parents leave their kids with a sitter until they reach an age where they can be trusted alone. Hell, slick, my sisters were babysitting at 11 for 3 or 4 hours at a time. Those days all there was were landlines. No computers, no cell phones, no internet. I wonder by God in Heaven how we managed to survive without your stolid achievements and uncanny wisdom. Usually 15 or older. She had a sitter who trucked down to the store on the corner, half a block away. An 11 year old such as she , could be trusted for a short time. She did the smart and right thing and you're blaming the parents.......gotta blame someone, anyone, except the criminals..
    Just because you feel you would have done differently, doesn't make you anywhere near right.
    You cannot find anything good about any of that, you may be more narrow-minded than I first thought. You couldn't find real fault with this so you've got to create issues (Hegelian Theory and Munchausen by Proxy) to make yourself look better and to assert your own practice on others.
    Oh, I almost forgot...she had one of those death dealing weapons of mass destruction. single shot bolt action .22. To me, that takes a lot of nerve to confront three intruders with 2 bullets and a bolt action rifle. no one got hurt, but three went to jail.
    so, now, you want more justice even at the cost of innocence. These people didn't break the law. You claim a violation of your own sensibilities and cry "FOUL!.....the parents are the real culprit." When that failed, you claim the girl had no Right to defend herself.
    You need to grip tighter to real life and get over it. This time the righteous thing was done and you want to hang the entire family, and more, if you could add to the hangman's list.
    And you do that because.....?
    Another point I'm going to make...........since the criminals didn't video tape their activities, you'll never be right about that statement:
    ...so I guess we'll trust the source. She look rather pleased with herself and I cannot blame her. How's that frost yer butt?
     
  5. Mergun

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    So you have to wait until something happens before you can talk about it? Gee, violence prevention must be completly ridiculous. And nearly all of science would have stood still, if people were thinking like you.

    You can calculate the outcome of cenarios and attribute certain probabilities. Otherwise you would just observe and do nothing with the presented information. For example: You'd see a dangerous person near a child and couldn't connect the dots, because the crime hasn't happend yet. You know, thinking, it works. You should try it sometimes.

    I ask you one simple question: Is it OK to let children handle guns unsupervised? Or do you need to see the possible outcome? You know, there are statistics about it, so you don't need to think too hard.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bla bla bla I suck I suck I suck. Is this a forum or just a venue for angry conservatives to attack liberals with impunity?
     
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    You're a fascist because you voted for Obama, a fascist.

    You don't care about public safety because you want to disarm little girls confronting three men who broke into her home with criminal intent. What would you rather she confront them with, an iPod?

    Outside of the fact that the Constitution says it's unconstitutional, you're absolutely correct.

    EXACTLY. You used the precisely correct wording.

    What does the Second Amendment say? That gun ownsership "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".

    That's SO AWFUL! Like, dude, we all know that people with just one-trigger-pull, one-bullet handguns are so much safer to have around, especially when they're highly trained.

    LIKE THE TWO FRIGGIN' LAPD PIGS WHO FIRED 102 ROUNDS INTO A SINGLE VEHICLE, CRITICALLY INJURING TWO WOMEN, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE DRIVING A GREY TRUCK.

    All those cops had were side arms. They each had to reload their weapons three times to crank out that many rounds.

    YOU trust the cops. Go ahead. It worked for the Weimar Republicans, too.

    They're stupid, Americans ain't.

    They think their freedom is worth (*)(*)(*)(*), Americans think the freedom of Australians and the British is also worth (*)(*)(*)(*), but Americans value their own freedoms quite highly.

    You shouldn't ask if you won't like the answer.

    When your "facts" don't fit reality, which should change, your facts, or reality? Which is going to? (Neither, apparently)

    Because they were taxed. You like circular unreasoning, don't you?

    Somebody had to have the cash to buy the cute little pink rifle. It probably wasn't bought using food stamps at a gun show.

    There's nothing wrong with the Mayor's age. There's something seriously wrong with the age he lives in when fascists are ruling America, and don't even know they're fascists.

    Explain why you're doing everything you can to kill it.

    What do you "love" about the United States? The free healthcare? The free food? The free daycare centers (oh, that's right, you people call them "schools", even though there's no learning happening inside them)? The open borders? The massive number of unemployed? The free infanticide? The freedom to believe that stupidity has no price?

    America was based on "freedom", not "free things".

    Let's guess.....your "member" is bigger, too? Are you expecting the Mayor to post a competing resume?

    Good luck with that.

    No. You care about the safety of the criminal. The public wasn't threatened by that little girl, Obama voters were.
     
  8. Mayor Snorkum

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    Once they're properly trained, sure.

    Just in case you missed the memo, "children" no older than that girl were hunting for food with rifles for over a century in the United States. So what's your problem here?

    Are you claiming that child was improperly trained? Where's you evidence? There any holes in her? The walls? She didn't even shoot one of the criminals. All the bullets (both of them) stayed in the rifle, since they were needed to come out an play.

    Compare THAT to the LAPD, "trained professionals", and their 102 panicky little wussy shots at two old ladies.
     
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    In a five year old? How may five year olds get pregnant following that imperative?

    And you gotta be kidding me? EVERY child wants to handle a gun. Even the biological offspring of parents infected with the liberal disease.

    Children, teenagers, and even adults will sooner or later be confronted wth a gun. According to liberals, guns just can't stay still, and they crawl up to people and demand attention, and if they don't get it, they shoot someone. So clearly people should be trained in how to handle gun safely.

    It's not complicated, but still, most liberals are afraid of them, not being intelligent enough to know that if the hole in the end is pointing away, the gun can't hurt them, and if they keep their fingers off the trigger, the gun won't usually volunteer to shoot them.

    Those are the basics: Don't point the gun at people you don't want to shoot, and don't put your finger on the trigger if you don't want to shoot.

    If these rules are too complicated for someone, that someone should never be allowed near a ballot box, not even to shoot it.

    Why? Your very own Messiah supports giving dangerous abortifacient drugs to children without their parent's consent. Why should one tool of murder be treated differently than another? How many teenage girls are going to die because King Obama, Fascist and Traitor, had his FDA stooge allow the over-the-counter sale of "Plan B" to 15 year olds? Why, suddenly, do you people want to pretend you believe the parents are supposed to have a role in their child's lives when you're pulling the rug of authority out from under their feet in something far more important than simple gun training?

    Oh, that's just stupid semantics. The Mayor trained his daughters very nicely in the factoring of quadratic equations. The school was attempting to "educate" them, or "teach" them. The Mayor showed them how it was done, why it was done that way, and TRAINED them so they could do it correctly.

    Let's put it another way. If the public schools you demand we support had the task to educating children in toilet use, those schools would filled with children highly knowledgeable about the theory of toilets.....and not one of them would be potty trained. The schools would be full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

    Which they already are.

    Now you know the difference between education and training. Training works.
     
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    You seem to know a lot about psychology and human behavior. Not. I should start with the basics, but I don't think you'd take anything serious enough. I bet psychology is just some liberal mumbo jumbo for you. Sad. I just hope you don't ever get into a situation where you have to "train" anyone.
     
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    Pretty like when the libs attack conservatives.
     
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    getting back to that statist thing.................
    Yes I think children who are familiar with firearms should be able to use them when needed. Especially if they've been trained and guided. Now you're gonna come back with some insanely ridiculous analogy about a 4 year old and guns.
    You are still wanting to place blame where there is none and you still want to hang the parents in a public execution...that about right? Hegelian Dialect......c'mon now and show us what a heartless person is going to say next...........LIbs are the perfect of asses. My God, they've got to be right even at the expense of lying or trying to create fabrications in a weak and vain attempt to show how much smarter they think they are..............Take your weak-assed experimenting mind and apply it to the energy issue........they got plenty of room for dreamers who never base their lives in FACTS.
    ok wise guy...how do you know he's dangerous?
    how do you know he's up to something nefarious?
    seeing danger everywhere you look might indicate a real fear-based life-style. That might some professional input. Go back to your precious bubble and live out your life in abject terror, oh, and don't forget your children. You need to teach them absolute paralyzing terror, too, that everyone out there is pure killer. Teach them how they shouldn't go outside without a police escort in an armored vehicle. That'll keep them safe. Teach them terror............prepare them to be paralyzed when confronting life. What a well-rounded education..............
     
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    how's it feel?
     
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    you're the Lib, here.........
    Socialists.....you're not that damned complicated, ya know.........you just want to appear that way because you know no other way to be.
     
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    Insults and labels is all I can get from your posts. Good luck with that! I won't bother reasoning with you anymore, you made up your mind and will never take a real, profound look at an argument.

    By the way, you could at least try to write coherently.
     
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    ad hom.......you are the one creating absurd scenarios to justify your irrational fears, not me..so I excuse you from any further discussion...............
    You're the one insulting, not me. You position is so weak, you have to lie some more and now you stomping your feet and calling foul...................I never apply labels unless they are accurate.
    I did notice tho, you failed to answer the questions and came back with insults. That means I have triumphed over you
     
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    Where have I insulted you? Have I called you anything? I wrote that you don't take closer looks on arguments and don't write coherently. Both is true, since you ignore most of my writing and create incomplete sentences without any connections whatsoever. Dots are no real substitute for words or adequate punctuation marks and only show willful neglect of serious attempts to communicate on an appropriate level of discussion.

    If triumph means calling the other side "liberal" and "socialist" without any connection to the debated argument and ignoring almost anything pointed out, then yeah, you triumphed.
     
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    It feels as if this website has a conservative bias.

    I wrote "calm down" in a post and it was removed and I got a warning. You paragraphs about what a horrible person I was (the whole post was a personal attack) and you get away with it.
     
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    I get away with nothing. I have these mods watching everything I post. Stop stomping your feet. It does your alleged argument no good. If you think this site is conservative biased, complain to the mods. I don't own this one.
     
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    That little girl would have been much better off in a safe gun free neighborhood like Chicago. In that town when burglars come into your home they take what they want, your money, your possessions, for young women often their innocence as well. It is a liberal paradise.
     

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