13 Russian nationals indicted for interfering with U.S. elections and political processes

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  1. Plus Ultra

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    Yes, I suppose the splinter in my eye is much worse than the log in yours.

    Hillary's mess is much worse than the simple unsecured dissemination of classified information to people not authorized to see it, the contents of her emails and that of those she received are what really matters. I don't understand why this seems unimportant to some, I realize I could exaggerate the importance of some of what has been revealed about Hillary, maybe her Foundation's efforts really were more altruistic than I think, it could be that some of those unauthorized recipients of classified information should be authorized to receive it or that they used it with good intentions, she may have not prepared her answers to the debate questions she got in advance, maybe her husband really just chatted about golf and the grandkids with Lynch... but it's a big mess.
     
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    Ultra, you and I both know better than seeing anything that has the names Hillary and Bill on it as altruistic, innocent and "For the best interests of these United States of [North] America. The Clintons' and their cohorts ate some of what is wrong with this society.
     
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    All I'm saying is that the massive leak of Hillary's emails and from the DNC server was full of improprieties, I see some dismissing her use of a private server because Colin Powell is said to have done the same, but he didn't use it to send classified information to people who were not authorized to receive it. There's so much more evidence of Hillary's malfeasance one doesn't know where to begin. We don't have tangible proof she favored her Foundation's donors, but there were diplomatic moves and US legislation following large foreign contributions, just a coincidence? We saw emails of hers coordinating with journalists and reporters covering the election, they suggest she had good support from leading figures in mainstream media, something every candidate should seek, but it looks like this support has distorted reporting of the news. Leaks disclosed presidential debate organizers from mainstream media provided her with the moderator's questions in advance, this would give her an unfair advantage, we don't know if she researched the issues raised in them and rehearsed answers, this would be a reasonable expectation. Bernie Sanders was sidelined by the DNC, I don't think he was a viable rival to Trump, but we have seen evidence he was unfairly dismissed as a contender by the Democrat party at Hillary's request, he did have followers and I think their disinterest after Hillary's nomination is what cost her the election.

    I think it was a good thing Trump won simply because it would be awful had Hillary prevailed. If none of all this had come out, Hillary likely would have won the election. We wouldn't know she was beholden to foreign governments donating millions to her ostensibly philanthropic foundation. We would marvel over her knowledgeable, statistically supported, focus-group sampled and thuroughly rehearsed answers to those debate questions we never knew were prepared in advance knowing what she would be asked. We would be disconcerted as sources and methods in intelligence gathering were compromised not knowing she disseminates classified information to others who are not authorized to see it. We would be amazed at the roundup of conservative critics on trumped-up charges not knowing people like Strzok were interrogating them using surveillance warrants obtained through fraudulent misrepresentations.

    If you're a critical lefty, a Hillary fan, someone who hates Trump, this might be an ideal scenario, Hillary sounded like she would advance your aims, she'd ban "assault" weapons, make "dreamers" citizens, foster Muslim immigration, ban fossil fuels, tax the rich... But have you considered how Hillary would govern if those leaks were just known by the Russians, if instead of getting published in Wikileaks, Putin had her emails? Could he get the Maginsky Act repealed for just not disclosing she got the debate questions in advance, would Hillary withdraw troops from Syria if Putin kept quiet about her Foundation's "pay to play"? Would she lift sanctions over the Russian intervention in Ukraine in exchange for silence about her role sidelining Sanders? Could Hillary be persuaded to end support of Georgia if Putin promised not to publish her emails sending classified information to unauthorized recipients?
     
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    Wrong. it was 3 intelligence agencies; the CIA, NSA and FBI.
     
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    Voltairenet brings back memories... Oh Jiji... :_ (
     
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    By all means, if the evidence says he broke the law, go for it and have him investigated.
     
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    Hillarys emails showed that she violated the law by posting classified information on an unsecured server
     
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    <Rule 2>
    read the book ffs. It's written by a British-American economist and historian who was a fellow at the Hoover Institution. He spent his war (WWII) in British Army Intelligence and was assigned to hunting Nazis at war's end along the Northern Ratline escape route -- particularly Martin Bormann. He was one of the good guys.
     
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    They investigated her emails and found nothing that was detrimental. What I find so incredible is that Jared and trumps kids have done the same thing and yet it just is overlooked.
     
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    So did Jared! So did Colin Powell! Stupid mistakes
     
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    No, they didn't investigate her emails and find nothing detrimental, they found "criminal negligence" (toned down by Strzok), and that was just relating to her disclosure of classified information, no legal determination has been made of Hillary having received debate questions in advance, her collusion with mainstream media, role in sidelining Sanders or the "pay to play" at her Foundation.
     
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    I have great news for you… She didn’t win the election and she’s not president. I hope you are as worried about Russia cyber attacking our country and electing the idiot in the White House
     
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    What world do you live in for God's sake? Nothing detrimental? Are you dreaming? Have you read the emails published by Wikileaks? Clearly you haven't...

    Who's they btw?

    https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
     
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    I am more worried about Americans like hillary doing the same thing if we fail to make her pay for her crimes
     
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    Let’s use some common sense. The Republicans absolutely hated Hillary would do anything they could to put her in jail. Do you really believe they are protecting her or do you believe that if they put her in jail they would have to put Jared in jail and his kids and Colin Powell who did the same thing?
     
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    I do hate hillary

    And with good reason

    But I personally do not want to put her in prison like Emilda Marcos or ex president Park in s korea

    I want her held accountable for what she has done
     
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    No, they did not do the same thing.
     
  19. Renee

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    Sure they did..here’s a few articles

    http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-furor-hypocrisy-right-493120

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-republicans-who-did-exactly-what-hillary-did
     
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    I can understand you not liking her but what has she done that is so deserving of hate other than being a strong woman?
     
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    Would a "strong woman" tolerate a philandering husband?
     
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    Like Milania?
    A strong woman who loves her husband very much can be forgiving. I know many couples where one of the partners cheated and they worked on their marriages. Strong women don’t just walk away. I know it may be a difficult concept for you but sometimes they love the man enough to stay.
    Are you upset that malania stays with a man who brags about sexually assaulting women? About a man who has cheated on all his wives?
     
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    So that’s why you hate her? And I assume you must hate Melania even more. I think you hate too easily
     
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    I've always been baffled by this argument. Women of her generation were quite familiar with philandering husbands. If we look back in history we can easily see that our leaders and men of power always had women on the side. It was a way of life.

    This criticism for staying with the husband seems to be in contrast to what the bible teaches. Are women supposed to leave or are they supposed to stay for the sanctity of the marriage vows.

    In the end, I'm pretty sure that no matter which road HC took it would have been criticized as the wrong path.

    Women are the most vicious when it comes to judging other women. Hopefully one day women will not be so crass with each other.
     
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    Quoting and replying to yourself seems like a desperate cry for attention. How are you doing, dear?
     

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