13 Russian nationals indicted for interfering with U.S. elections and political processes

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  1. Russell Hellein

    Russell Hellein Well-Known Member

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    We are in a low level civil war.
     
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    Really now?

    I don't think this is one of those "only-when-it-deserves" moments, not with that ugly opportunistic approach shown below, that doesn't hesitate for a second taking the shot anytime there's a chance:

    So FBI being an institution of the federal government, and Trump is the man supposedly runs that government, WHICH government deserves your support???

    The pervert of Moscow's? or The home of the PATRIOTS; FBI?
     
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    No Khalil, I'm not... But I could be too... You never know...
     
  4. goody

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    Your accent's kinda cool dude. You from Boston?
     
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    How did they involve themselves in US elections?

    I keep asking members of this forum to present solid evidence to back these allegations up - and thus far none have.

    Meanwhile, back on the Farm:

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html
     
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    OK dude, you're definitely American. I'm convinced. I'm sorry for the madness and irrationality created by this new McCarthyism. My bad...
     
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    Offer some proof that Russia is manipulating your democracy and maybe they will? I won't be holding my breath while waiting for a reply to that! Jeeeezus! :wall: 'Say something often enough . . . '
     
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    Those who criticize Trump's inaction over Mueller's indictment of Russians who evidently interfered in the election ought to consider how the president is kept unaware of that investigation. As a suspect in a criminal investigation, Trump cannot be informed of any intelligence that relates to Russians since it is presumed this would enable him to better conceal his wrongdoing. Unfortunately this leads to a dumb decision to indict a bunch of Russians who will never face prosecution. If the FBI and entire intelligence community did not subscribe to Hillary's explanation for her loss, the Russians would have been subject to a "counterintelligence" rather than a "criminal" investigation, and the evidence of their malfeasance would be addressed much more effectively by other than a criminal indictment. Don't blame Trump, it's Mueller's fault.
     
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    Best to speak to your therapist about the paranoid figures that inhabit your psyche. I'm not interested.

    Meanwhile, back in the rational world: so far neither Mueller - or anyone else, in fact - has backed up his allegations with evidence - you know, those old-fashioned factual thingy's that once sat behind newspaper headlines, but no longer do. Likewise, there is still zero evidence that the DNC email servers were actually "hacked" by anyone, let alone the Russians.

    While you and others may be content to keep settling for Disney Film Studio scripts as being a persuasive reality - others have far a higher tolerance for suspending their disbelief.

    Speak to me about evidence. If you can.

    Otherwise save it for your analytical hour.
     
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    I'd settle for you proving the Moon of Alabama guy is wrong. How about it?
     
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    I remember those days well, and with a certain fondness. But Washington and its satellite agencies have changed all that, and Downing Street is trying to catch up, with a little help from their friends at the BBC.
     
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    With a lot of help from the Beeb I would say. But I agree the British press are not a lot better. Bit even an avid reader of the Daily Tripe doesn't have to endure the forced Russia diet that the Yanks have to ingest Thank goodness for small mercies I guess.
     
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    Obama actively tried to influence the British Brexit vote in 2016 - the first Referendum in the UK for decades. He got quite a lot of bad press for "interfering" in a sovereign matter too. Not exactly an election I know, but rather a running elective sore.

    I don't know what "recently" actually means, but what about Venezuela in 2015 (HERE & HERE)?

    Then there's this. Note especially the strap line:

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/gover...us-interfered-in-81-foreign-elections/226143/

    Meanwhile, would you care to provide evidence for Russia "breaking into computer systems"?

    Thought not.

    You might care to read this on the Russian angle though:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

    The "Russian hack" turns out the be a DNC insider leak...
     
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    Well let's think about what's in it for the owners for 'services rendered', and senior editors for their loyalties when they retire - scarlet and ermine, and lots of expenses? Blimey, it must be time to take my next anti-cynical pill!
     
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    You have me at a disadvantage. I'm not familiar with what you're referencing.

    I was genuinely asking whether you truly did not find any value and why. I view this investigation as similar to playing chess. Every move is done with precision and with confidence.
     
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    By conspiracy you mean?
     
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    Hhhhoooooo horsey... Calm down now before you trip and fall there... You might not be knowing this but in countries like America indictment is a legal process and the charges are decided by the grand jury. Now, as for your Kremlin mouthpiece of "evidence" cry, even I personally have posted tons of documents on this site back in 2015, under many threads full of Russian Federation COURT ORDERS and RULINGS on Kremlin troll factory. You must have missed them all, unless you were serving in that disclosed building as one of the trolls... So, let's cut the BS; do you want me to post the entire folder here again? I decorate here with LEGAL court orders, photos, videos, addresses, witnesses, names, etc...
     
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    Oh Josephine... You don't even know where we are at, do you? hahah...
     
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    Somehow I missed your point. Do you mean that a government full of men who do not uphold their oath of office is a government of patriots? Do you mean that a government of men that usurp power and weaken the constitution is a government of patriots? Egads.
     
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    Where you are at is nowhere in the conspiracy investigation.
     
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    Nice dodge Goody.
     
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    Oh I didn't know not reminding somebody with how an ongoing discussion he took part in was brought to a point where he got lost, was trying to figure the meaning of a term and was unable to get the remark made in that regard was actually a "dodge"...
    It was more like a "go kill yourself" moment to me... : )
     
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    Josephine:

    I'm terribly sorry to inform you but the meaning of conspiracy is unfortunately NOT what you suppose it is : (

    conspiracy
    kənˈspɪrəsi/

    noun
    1. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
      "a conspiracy to destroy the government"
      synonyms: plot, scheme, stratagem, plan, machination, cabal; More
      • the action of plotting or conspiring.
        "they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"
        synonyms: plotting, collusion, intrigue, connivance, machination, collaboration;
        treason
        "he was due to stand trial for conspiracy to murder"

     
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    Oh somebody was talking about "dodging" earlier... lol...
    I don't know what dodging is if that's not answering a question with irrelevant questions. I couldn't have meant New England Patriots there dude... I referred IC by FBI as it is one of the 16...

    Now, back to my "dodged" question; are you with the Monsieur Orgy de Trump of Moscow? Or with the IC?

    And don't get too hysterical again like you were criticizing the indictment by maybe the worst ever sarcastic efforts... It makes me feel sad : (
     

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