2 Things Mainstream Media Didn’t Tell You About FDA’s Approval of Pfizer Vaccine

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe the same formula but Pfizer-BioNTec is unapproved and it is under complete EUA and the only version available.

    You are missing the function of EUA. It is only used if no approved treatment is available. If Pfizer’s approved version became available the EUA would have to be lifted.
     
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    That is the function of an EUA. I haven't disputed that at all.

    However, we're beyond that now that the FDA has declared that the identical formulation has been fully approved and that the FDA states that the product delivered under the EUA is fully covered by that authorization.
     
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    There is another reason Pfizer doesn’t want the approved version available. Liability. Right now they have immunity under EUA.
     
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    They get immunity under FDA approval, too.

    Their vulnerability is pretty much limited to issues such as misrepresentation or malfeasance of some sort.

    When people die of the mumps vaccine or of a tetanus shot or aspirin they can't sue the drug company unless the drug company did something that invalidates the approval they got.
     
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    Politicians were promoting the vaccine before it was approved, and without advising people that it could cause problems for some.

    Does hydroxychloroquine work or not? I couldn't get that out of your link. In the 2nd to last paragraph it says it's been approved for years for malaria and other ailments. But it seems to say that ultimately, a doctor can prescribe it for off label uses

    It seems to me that a lot of money and effort has gone into vaccine production. Any cheap treatment that is discovered will be censored/downplayed/banned by those that sunk their money and time into the vaccine effort. It seems they don't mind widespread suffering and death if it gets in the way of their vaccine profits. But that's to be expected from an industry that pumped opiates onto our streets for years with absolutely no regard for the impact.
     
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  6. WillReadmore

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    I'm not an expert in the legality of doctors using drugs off label when the drug has been certified as safe by the FDA.

    In none of my posts have I been pointing to doctors who are breaking the law.

    I do not see any validity in your conspiracy theory. Are you suggesting that drug companies faked 4 phases of major world wide testing while being monitored by the FDA, WHO, the CDC, and everyone else in the world of science based medicine?

    In fact, Trump had financial ties with the company that makes pretty much ALL the hydroxychloroquine in the world. And, his promotion of that drug had NOTHING to do with science based medicine determining efficacy of that drug in treating or preventing COVID.

    That didn't require any conspiracy. One person, Trump, could do that himself.
     
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    I'm simply pointing out that big pharma has killed a dozen people I know, including my sister-in-law, by pumping our streets full of opiates...for money. It's not a big leap for me to suspect they are willing to allow many to suffer and die from Covid...for money.
     
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    I fully agree that pharma companies absolutely are responsible for what amounts to murder in the case of pushing addictive drugs. And that isn't the only time that human life has counted for little. They are all corporations and are thus 100% dedicated to maximizing profit.

    In the end, we do have to watch them closely.

    But, we can't ignore medicine proven to be safe and effective on the basis of past crimes that they absolutely have committed.
     
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    I believe they killed my sister-in-law. And now my leaders say take their product, or else. I consider what they are doing with these mandates as absolutely reprehensible. If they wanted me to take the vaccine, that ship sailed when they allowed its makers to murder my family and friends for years, as everyone stood by and watched.
     
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    Once again, rejecting western medicine on the grounds that some drug companies committed crimes is RIDICULOUS.

    I feel for your loss. And, I am FULLY behind a far more aggressive approach to prosecuting those crimes than we see taking place today.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you suggesting that the FDA is a fountain of truth and accuracy? That it has only truth and accuracy and public health as its agenda? :roll:
     
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    Yes. The FDA has proven itself to be FAR better than any other source of science based decision making on medicine.

    You can point to mistakes, but the mistake rate is monumentally lower than that of any other source.

    We don't have anything in the US that competes with the FDA today.

    And, I'd point out that the FDA is not reaching conclusions that the science based medicine of other first world nations isn't reaching as well.

    As for your assault on motivation, you really need to support attacks such as that. This is a SERIOUS topic. Attempting to tear down the FDA with totally unsupportable crap IS an assault on America's health.
     
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    I disagree. There are many examples of the corruption at FDA and the rest of the alphabet agencies that work on behalf of pharmaceutical interests.

    The failure by the FDA to end these dangerous clot shots is simply the most recent and current example. The FDA serves the pleasures of pharma.
     
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    This is a seriously bad analysis for several reasons.

    First, there is no better testing going on in the world today. Deciding to flush the very best testing that humans have created can NOT be considered a valid idea.

    There have been cases where certified drugs have caused problems that weren't detected. But, the number of those is incredibly tiny compared to the massive record of success. The record of science based medicine can not be approached by ANY other direction.

    The issues with today's vaccines ARE known. The risks are NOT covered up. The continuing effort in investigation is being taken incredibly seriously. And, the risks of vaccination are clearly shown to be far less than the risks of the disease.


    I'm ready to listen if you think there is a better way of testing to get the answers we need. But, so far there isn't. If you have something, then state it. It's not as if we need to limit the ways we approach this problem of determining safety and efficacy. We already run multiple tests from multiple agencies at the same time.

    It's not just the FDA.
     
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    There has to be some sort of difference since the document says it is "legally" different. The difference could be trivial but we don't have the information. The actual purpose was to allow Pfizer to continue using the EUA until the other vaccines received final approval. The EUA protects the company from legal consequences and Pfizer doesn't want to be the only barred from the EUA legal protection.
     
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    Many people I know who took the vaccine are starting to regret it. I really feel for these people, they believed their government was trying to help. Several vaccinated students and staff at my son's school are testing positive. Most people under 50 who took it did so to return to normal, but that isn't happening. Resistance is growing.

    The powers that be should pack up and begin pushing treatment and herd immunity, not vaccinations. That goose is cooked.
     
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    The FDA and Pfizer both state that there is no difference in the formulation.

    The FDA states that the formulation is authorized whether or not it was manufactured under the EUA.

    I cited that in an earlier post.
     
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    I can believe that from government.
     
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    Both the FDA and Pfizer have been known to lie.

    Pfizer pleaded guilty to criminal fraud in 2004 and 2009, paying the largest criminal fine ever assessed. Why on earth should I believe a word Pfizer says?
     
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    Pfizer have been known to, not sure about the FDA, must be a conspiracy theorist thing. I can find loads of "references" on troofah sites, is that what you mean?

    Has your partner, mother, father, you ever lied? I would be staggered if every single multinational corporation hadn't made some cover up or withheld the truth, all in the name of making a buck. Doesn't mean that everything is a lie and assuming it is, brings the whole mechanism into ludicrous territory involving substantial personnel. It
     
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    I asked you to cite your claims.

    You didn't do that.

    >>Instead, you referenced WELL KNOWN distributors of false information on COVID and its treatment.

    Is THAT really the comparison you are STRIVING for???

    As for Pfizer, let's remember that the FDA and our government were a key factors in our government going after Pfizer for that marketing criminality.

    In this case today, there is no such marketing activity going on. Further, the FDA, CDC, WHO, NAIAD and other organizations around the world are in stupendously close contact with oversight on the Pfizer vaccine as well as the vaccines of other companies. Do you really need to be told about that oversight???

    Using a marketing case on ONE of the several vaccine manufacturers as invalidating the science (NOT marketing) of today is seriously disgusting.
     
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    OOps
     
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    You realize of course, that when a commercial starts with "You may be entitled to compensation...", it's talking about something the FDA approved.
     
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    The FDA relies on the studies Pharma produces. They do no studies of their own.

    Also, Pfizer is still in phase three of human clinical trials. A 13 year old girl volunteer has been severely injured during the trial but you won’t hear about that.
     
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