2018 fourth warmest year in continued warming trend, according to NASA, NOAA

It's happened multiple times before and it will happen again.

You can't stop it.

 

The current rate of climate change has never been experienced on this planet in the absence of something like a supervolcano or meteor. And if either of those were the cause of the current climate change, I would agree with you. But the current cause is humans and thus, humans are perfectly capable of reducing the degree of harm.

 

It is still going to happen naturally whether humans contribute or not.

It has many times in the past and it's not based on human activity.

So what are you going to do when that happens?

 

When it happens naturally, the rate of change is about 1/150th of the current rate. So when that happens, I will work about 1/150th as hard to mitigate the change.

 

But the ice is still going to melt and the sea will rise regardless of your attempts to mitigate it.

Wouldn't it be more prudent to start working on that problem rather than trying to prevent something you can't?

 

We are working on that problem.

The Navy Wants to Build a Wall to Stave Off Climate Change

But there is zero reason to say that we can't also work to reduce the rate of change.

 

Get better.

I watched a Youtube video that proved the Earth was both hollow and flat at the same time.

 

Why?

So you can stick your grandkids with the problem instead of fixing it now?

Certainly not part of the greater generation are you?

 

What did you think my post said?

 

You said to work on the problem while pushing it down the road so it doesn't happen in your lifetime.

I say bring it on and let us deal with it so our children's children don't have to worry about it.

I care for them like that.

 

Difference being, these are actually scientist in the field. You do realize that even Antarctica was once a tropical area, right?

https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/collections/geological-collections/fossils-from-the-antarctic/

These are not anecdotal.

 

In no way shape or form did I imply that we should push the problem down the road.

I said we are currently addressing the problems being caused by climate change, but that we also need to work on reducing the rate at which the climate is changing.

 

Do you want to live in a climate where the arctic regions are tropical? I do not. So why the **** is that even relevant?

People keep trying to misconstrue the argument regarding the threat created by climate change. It is NOT a threat to the planet. The planet will be just fine. The threat is to the currently existing plants and animals (including humans).

So telling me anything about the climate from the first 4 billion years does absolutely nothing to lessen the threat created by climate change.

 

But but but that's the way it's always been in California even before those genocidal Spaniards arrived in California.

 

I'm not laughing... really. But.. why equivocate now? The initial breathless response was intended to produce fear, was it not? As in "see, 10%" now. yesterday it was only 9.85% and that's like 100% increase in risk..." which was exactly how it was marketed.

I wonder why the Japanese have consistently under reported the averages with the same data.

 

Well, if you were actually interested in the science, it might, actually. Because what we saw wasn't suppose to be a possibility anymore. Severe arctic air masses were only supposed to bother the Canadians, the Russians, and well who cares about them anyway? The temp data all indicated that too much heat was being stored up there for this kind of bitter cold to form. That's been the accepted orthodoxy in the AGW crowd for decades. Wail... no kids in the UK will ever see snow again... Wail... lakes in Wisconsin will never freeze during the winters... and those are conclusions from 2018. Never in our future lives will we see... blah blah blah... until we do, and then, of course, that isn't a big deal.. brush it off. It's just weather. Sure, it's weather, but it's also weather that our AGW faithful dutifully assured us we would never again see in our lifetimes....

 

I'd say, take your theory to Vegas. See if it makes you money. Then get back to us...

 

I'm merely stating (as a fact) that climate change is a constant. We've gone through several variations and at many, if not most of Earths climate history, the Earth has been vastly warmer than it is today.

 

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the science shows that this kind of extreme weather fluctuation is going to happen, as the global temperature continues to rise annually. Nobody has suggested this type of weather would never again be seen. Not sure where you are getting that from?

 

Hans Christian Andersen probably could describe today's climate hysteria best.

 

And I am merely saying that you are obscuring and diminishing the threat from the current climate change by raising an irrelevant topic. The current climate change is a threat to the currently existing plants and animals. The previous climate changes of the last 4.5 billion years are not.

 

Lol, got to luv the discernment here... Regarding societal issues, constitutionality & a host of other topics - your accusation might be plausible, lol.

But hey, there can only be so many 'bright crayons in the box'... Remember MrTLegal - It's not your fault... No really It's not your fault!

 

This isn't cherry-picked. Every dataset that publishes a global mean surface temperature agrees that 2018 is the 4th warmest with 2017, 2016, and 2015 being warmer.

I'm not sure what you think is inconvenient here. This blog post is saying that the Vostok ice core data is consistent with the consensus theory regarding climate change. The post even cites bona-fide scientific works that support the author's position.

Scientists do not fudge data. They are certainly susceptible to mistakes though which is what happened in the case of Feely and Wallace. Note that it was Wallace who made the false claim of fraud and it was Wallace who was the one who ended up making the mistakes. The mistakes on the part of Wallace were mostly due to a gross misunderstanding of how ocean pH measurements are made.

Anyway, we see this a lot. There are false accusations of fraud all of the time and they almost always turn out to be unsubstantiated.

Sure. Most peer reviewed studies fail to reach perfection. That's why scientists use a consensus approach to figuring out how to deal with the tens of thousands of lines of evidence to formulate a theory that best matches reality.

Keep in the mind that the physical processes that cause climate change are all "natural". The difference between climate in the past and today is the agent(s) that are modulating these processes. CO2 puts the exact same radiative forcing on the planet regardless of whether it is emitted by nature or by man.

 

Why does that induce fear though? Climate change isn't something to be feared. It's something to be educated on so that you can make informed decisions.