3 killed, 6 injured in shooting at Oxford High School in Michigan

Get emotional all that you want. Just don't make law based around it. That leads to authoritarianism.

And I'll bet you can't produce a single picture of any of those activist gun owners "fondling" a gun. And people like Rittenhouse would disagree that self defense is a straw man argument. And you do know that there are Democrats that are activist gun owners right?

BUUTTT TRRUUUUMMMPPP!!!!

 

It could be a case of self-defense, like Zimmerman and Rittenhouse. Maybe the deceased and injured had been bullying the shooter? Since they are already getting the gallows ready by wanting to try the kid as an adult, chances are he is one of the handful of Black students at that 99.9% White school. Ill bet that orange man and the other Repubs won't be offering him a cushy job like they did for Kyle.

 

You can own a machine gun if you want to. Just don't shoot up the neighborhood.

 

Either the law is unenforcible, or stolen guns are not a meaningful contributor to violence, or both.

Every year, and for many decades, millions of people all over the nation are recorded as rejected from buying a firearm due to them being a prohibited person. It is illegal for a prohibited person to try to buy a firearm, btw. But none of them go to jail, none of them are issued citations, none of them are even visited by the police. So they just keep trying until they somehow or another get a gun. And no pro-gun-control politician has ever platformed on addressing this. Its only the anti-gun-control crowd who repeat ad nauseum "enforce the laws we already have." No one will (because it doesn't promote making new laws that restrict law abiding citizens). And that's why its so easy for criminals to get guns. ...almost like some people want them to get guns.

 

This link has a graphic showing the school's demographics =
https://www.usnews.com/education/be...rd-community-schools/oxford-high-school-10207

Since Whites do the vast majority of school shootings, maybe a White kid is the shooter?

 

Ya Think?

Google - Ethan Crumbley

 

Tate Myre 16, Madisyn Baldwin 17, Hana St. Juliana 14

 

Per the Detroit News:
In a 2017 article in the local newspaper, the boy appears as a bespectacled fifth-grader at an international baccalaureate school. At the time, he was part of a group of students working on a project about poverty and expressed sympathy for the homeless and hungry.

 

Looks like the pretty, academically successful, popular ones were targeted.

Seems like it might have been a case of jealousy. "If I can't have something, I'll bring down everyone else who has what I don't have"

 

Guess those "gun free school zones" didn't work, did they?

Time to undo that law?

 

I totally don't see what your proposal would be that would have prevented this.

And I'm sure even whatever proposal you can come up with, there could have been an easy way around it if that child was determined to carry out those murders.

(And whatever gun legislation you do want to propose, please make sure that your law, which will presumably be imposed on the entire country, will still allow for a 14 year old to have access at least to a single shot rifle, subject to parental permission of course. This could be ratchetted down by more local city laws, if necessary)

 

Thanks for the info. I suspected a White boy when I read that his dad had bought the gun just 4 days ago.

People are going nuts so stay alert at all times.

 

You're very welcome.
Obviously, his name is public knowledge to anyone with an internet connection.

I think at this point, the only decision is whether to charge him as an Adult.

As far as I have gathered, his parents can't even be charged.
Because Michigan is not among the 14 States with Negligent Storage Laws.

14 States Have Laws Imposing Criminal Liability when a Child Gains Access as a Result of Negligent Storage of a Firearm: Fourteen states (California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Rhode Island, and Texas)

 

You could make a movie out of this. The kid is a pain in the butt to everyone and his dad is tired of dealing with him. So, dad buys the gun and ammo and gives it to his son and tells him to handle the kids at school. The kid takes the gun and ammo to the school and starts shooting. The cops show up and the kid surrenders and yells that he wants a lawyer. The kid got revenge on some of the kids who were mean to him. The dad finally gets rid of his pesky son and will suffer no negative consequences. Parents have to bury their murdered children. Politicians get to make a big fuss about the need to ban guns. It is a big win for some people and a very big loss for others, including the posters on internet forums who wanted to immediately blame it on a Black kid.

 

Wow, I think you are projecting you think there is some kind of a sexual orientation towards guns.

I have some questions for you:

Is this how you actually think about guns if you owned any?

Do you think guns cause murder?

Democrats generally do not like protecting children in school with appropriate responding firepower, do you also feel the same?

Murder is already against the law, what law do you think would stop murders like this?

 

Absolute liability for gun owners. Rights are meaningless without responsibility. It's two sides of the coin.

 

At least I am emotional about something important to be emotional about -- our kids. I can relate to the pain the parents of these children are going through right now, and can picture myself in their shoes, would it have been one of my kids getting shot.

You, on the other hand, and the other gun activists, are emotional about a cold, hard piece of metal, that serves the only purpose to kill. The love of guns is at the root of this evil.

Of course, we now know where the shooter got the gun. From his parents. I guess another set of "responsible" gun owners who didn't care to keep their guns out of reach. I bet the father now regrets the moment he purchased the gun. Their son could have turned on them too, and shot up the whole household. Who knows. Food for thought for other gun owners. Guns in the household make it less safe, not more safe.

 

Well, that's the crux of it. It's like the drug trade and human trafficking. It's not being addressed because a lot of people make a lot of money off it.

I am on the fence relative to the attempt to purchase a weapon when one is strictly forbidden because we simply can't use limited police resources to catch all the law breakers and, ounce for ounce, do we really want those people in prison or the murderers, rapists and pedophiles? I'd rather have those in one or more of the latter than some jerk trying to outsmart the laws to get a weapon. At the end of the day, a prohibited person doesn't have to do much to procure a weapon. Just like some adults will buy alcohol and/or cigarettes for kids, somebody, with enough incentive, will get a weapon to someone that isn't supposed to have them.

 

Since you brought him up, how do you feel about him reversing the law that would keep guns out of the hands legally deemed mentally ill?

 

https://www.gunsamerica.com/969087610/LIVE-FIRE-GATLING-GUN-IN-45-LONG-COLT.htm

As to others: You understand that class 3 weapons are a thing right?
You understand that class 3 weapons are by definition based upon technologies that are quite old and the home manufacture of which is simplistic?

Google: Luty homemade submachine gun.

Cars are dangerous. Firearms are more dangerous. I don't even understand how this is an argument.

 

We've repeatedly seen that many things can become lethal weapons.

I frequently cite the "Happy Land Fire"(1) as an example of more people dying when a determined killer is deterred from getting a firearm.

I think that it is noteworthy that the killer in this case managed to kill more people with just one dollar's worth of gasoline than anyone has been able to kill with any type of firearm.

The way to reduce homicides is to focus on the killer, not the type of weapon they chose.




(1) "Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED

 

Only if you have a FFL just to start with, and not many people can get that far.. So no you can't, you can own a "Auto loading" firearm but not a full auto single trigger pull firearm..

 

Holy ****. No..... that's not how that works. You do not need an ffl. There are class 3 weapons you can buy off the NFA.

Stop making pronouncements about law if you're going to be demonstrably incorrect.

 

You have an incredibly disturbing and overactive imagination.

 

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