35 Million will lose Health Insurance per Health Management Assoc.

that's literally what the paper says.

No I wouldn't.

 

I accept your concession. Thank you for admitting you can not rebut the peer reviewed paper you were given.

 

Why aren't we #1 in overall efficiency? Why are so many single payer countries so much more efficient?

FYI...I am NOT advocating, nor ever have advocated, for the US to be single payer system.

 

My rebuttal is that the validity of anything from the WHO is zero, it would be silly to argue against something you know not to be reliable. If you base your argument on anything from the WHO you've already lost.

 

It does not say that. Period.

Then you do not understand mathematics.

Without knowing how all the countries administer their health care, no conclusions can be made. There is no reason why we have to be number 1. We are in the top one fifth.

 

this isn't an argument. this is you hand waiving away the evidence I gave you. You remain refuted until you can rebut what was given to you with evidence of your own.

baseless assertion. prove what I gave you is wrong, or remain refuted. up to you.

 

then you didn't read it.

of course I do.

we know how they administer their healthcare. It's in the paper you apparently didn't read. The facts remain, first world nations with single payer systems get better care than we do, at a fraction of the cost we pay.

 

No where is single payer mentioned.

You have cut off your sample so that only those cases favorable to your argument are included. You do not know how many single payer systems have worse health care than the USA because you are not including them in your sample. In order to come to any conclusion, you have to know the healthcare system for each country. You can't just look at the countries better than the US and stop there.

 

pretending you don't know which countries are single payer in the list doesn't really make it go away.

nonsense. I've correctly pointed out that the paper confirms my assertion that every first world nation with single payer gets better care at a fraction of our cost.

you are certainly free to ignore reality and hand waive away the empirical evidence I gave you, but until you can provide evidence of your own, you remain refuted.

 

Nice dodge

 

Then you must know which of the nearly two hundred countries are single payer and which are not.

Pointing without proof means nothing. Are you claiming that not a single country lower down than the US is not single payer? Careful now.

You are ignoring four fifths of the countries.

What part of my statement is wrong?

 

The dodge is that you know how most of the countries administer their healthcare....some are govt run single payor some are govt run single payor with option for private insurance. We've been told the US system is far better than govt run single payor systems yet here we sit #37. How are we not closer to #1?

 

This should explain the issue in regards to Trump's decision on the ACA exchanges:

Trump could have reopened enrollment for the Affordable Care Act for coronavirus. He chose not to.
Insurance companies and Democrats had asked the administration to reopen the insurance market to help with the pandemic.

By Katelyn Burns Apr 1, 2020, 6:30pm EDT
**SNIP**
There are concerns of a significant increase in the uninsured rate after mass layoffs over the last month, as health insurance in the US is largely employment-based. Three million people filed initial claims for unemployment two weeks ago, according to Department of Labor data released last Thursday. Many of those people whose jobs did offer benefits now face losing their health insurance on top of everything else.

They, at least, will be able to enroll in a new insurance plan through the exchanges if they so choose: Though open enrollment for ACA plans ended on December 15, losing previous coverage is a qualifying life event that allows people their own special enrollment period.

But many who lost their jobs but not health coverage — including if they didn’t have any because their employers didn’t offer it — can’t purchase health insurance. If their household income drops low enough, they may qualify for Medicaid in the following month, but it’s not guaranteed.

“The administration has broad authority under the ACA to set the timing and length of open enrollment periods and qualifying factors for special enrollment periods,” Kaiser Family Foundation executive vice president Larry Leavitt told Vox. “Insurers are usually the constituency opposing broader enrollment periods, and they are supporting it, so it’s hard to see the administration’s opposition as anything but ideological opposition to the ACA.”​

This is going to wind up hurting Red states far more than Blue ones.

 

Oh WOW!

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I didn't point without proof. I provided a paper showing this.

No I'm not. I'm pointing out first world countries with single payer get better care at a fraction of the cost.

that our system is better than single payer or NHS type systems.

 

Whatever.

 

You are assuming things I don't know. We set at #37 in someone's criteria. With a different criteria , we would end up with a different ranking.

You provided a paper than did not talk about single payer.

You did not discuss the health system of those with a lower rating than ours.

I made no such claim.

 

from your link.

so basically everyone that had coverage has a qle event, as I mentioned 10 posts ago.

everyone that passed on the open enrollment every year, including the last one, needs open enrollment now?

they didnt see the need before, but now they've seen the light?

 

Well, if you cannot see the logic in why it would be important to offer an open enrollment, then that means you're okay with paying for it after they die from C19, because those folks who gets sick and can't breathe are going to go to the emergency room and they will not be turned away.

 

I accept your concession.

 

I get it...you have no answer as to why the US system is less efficient than many govt run single payor systems. That’s all you had to say.

 

a claim you can only make if you didn't actually read the paper.

yes I did

great, then you agree with the data that first world nations with single payer systems get better care at a fraction of the cost of ours.

 

I've been paying it my whole life already.

There will always be a percentage that decide they dont want it, don't need it, cant afford it and after they've passed on a half a dozen open enrollment periods we need to give them a 7th and final crack at doing the right thing?

the headline in the OP is deceiving, and I'm not surprised at all.

 

Show me where the paper discusses "single payer".

You did not really discuss or prove anything. You only claimed it was in the paper.

I made no such agreement. Our system has advantages and disadvantages. Our rating depends on the importance you place on the advantages and disadvantages.

 

been over this already. you pretending you don't know a countries healthcare system doesn't make it go away.

which proves my point.

we know that first world nations with single payer do better in virtually every category.