3rd highest cause of death

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  1. NightOwl

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    All of it. I have a significant number of family members in healthcare and they've all commented on witnessing car wreck deaths, heart attacks, diabetic comas etc all being written as covid. Oh and fyi democrats too.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    According to CNN

    It's only so because they are counting a large portion of the elderly that are actually dying of old age.

    Old person about to die, they only have a few months, a coronavirus comes along (and it might not even be Covid, by the way), hastens their death a little bit by making breathing more difficult, when it was already difficult (because the person was dying), and then it gets counted as a coronavirus death.

    Yet we have not see one statistical analysis indicating that any significant number more of this population group is dying under these conditions than usual.
     
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    Not how it works.

    Now this is very complicated, the virus killed them.

    This is also very complicated, the death rate for the country is up.

    This is genius level difficulty, we need to stop screwing around.
     
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    Dont care.
     
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    Already figured that one out.

    Silly conspiwacy theowry...
     
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    Its soon to be the only cause of death in the US. The way they're cooking the numbers, humans should be immortal if it weren't for Cvirus.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/07...h-death-in-florida-attributed-to-coronavirus/
     
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    *sigh*

    Proof of the current case and death count for the US: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
    The Mortality Rate is simply the deaths divided by the cases and expressed as a percentage - 175,074/5655974 = 3.0954%
    Proof that we are significantly undercounting the deaths in the US is essentially based on evaluating the "excess deaths" which is a comparison of the reported deaths in a given area and timeframe from all causes and then comparing that number against the averages for that same time in place. In the areas hardest hit by Covid-19, the amount of deaths from all causes exceeds the average AND the number of deaths reported to Covid-19. Here is an analysis: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

    I am not going to try and prove that there is no evidence of Covid-19 being significantly overcounted. I have not seen any such evidence, but it is not possible to prove a negative. So if you got proof (outside of the anecdotal evidence from your "significant number of family members in healthcare," then I invite you to present such.
     
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    Is it? Do you have any graphs or data to prove there has actually been a significant increase?

    (Also I would prefer to see death data that excludes suicides, because we know suicides have gone up during the shutdown. Alternatively, we could just subtract the known suicide increase from any total death increase, and that would be satisfactory for me. Hope that's not too complicated for you)
     
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    And Im sure it was the only one...

    :rolleyes:
     
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    The average age of death is around 78. The average loss of life from Covid-19 is around 11-13 years. Some percentage of those would have died within a few months, but it is a virtual certainty that almost everyone of them would have survived, but for the Covid-19.

    Also, there is no "according to CNN" here. Covid-19 is the third leading cause of death right now.
     
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    I beg to differ with that assertion.
    How do we know these same people who caught a coronavirus were not already in the process of dying, if not imminently, then they likely only had a few months and were already in poor health, not so far away from death's door.

    (and it could have even been an ordinary coronavirus, in many cases, one that has already been making its rounds in hospitals and nursing homes for years)
     
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    I'm sure it is the only one you have found or else you would present such instead of using an emoji.
     
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    The Democrat COVID Hoax is a hoax? :eek:

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooo...
     
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    Yup.

    In fact, if the COVID Hoax were something OTHER than a hoax, we'd expect to see MUCH higher deaths.

    But hoaxters gotta hoax - Nazis, Russia, Ukraine, Brett, USPS - you name it, they'll hoax it!

    Vote Democrat 2020
     
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    Thats pretty much the point. Its the ones we havn't found that are still inflating the death count.
     
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    Right! Even my dem family members think the numbers are garbage. My sister in law works in a covid unit for christ sakes! Shes a lifelong dem and thinks its all crap.
     
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    Nope.

    Nope.

    Is it?

    PLEASE do stop screwing around/hoaxing - it's VERY bad.

    TIA

    :)
     
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    If I point out a potential and very plausible flaw in the reasoning of a study, the burden of proof sort of falls onto you...
     
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