3rd highest cause of death

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  1. MrTLegal

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    Stop calling the virus a hoax.
     
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    Hilarious. Even your article admits they would likely only have lived "one or two years" more, if they had not caught the coronavirus.

    They were already in the process of dying.

    These were, in the vast majority of cases, not vigorous people full of health.



    When the article says
    "According to the years-lost scale of the World Health Organization, a person aged 81 who died of COVID-19 has lost 14 years of his life. "
    not only is that very questionable, but that's for someone who had no underlying conditions. And that's totally irrelevant, because there's strong reason to suspect the ones who died were the ones more likely to have underlying conditions, even if those conditions were undiagnosed.

    The study here assumes a random distribution of coronavirus deaths, not linked to any susceptibility or underlying conditions that may have been associated with particularly susceptible persons.
     
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    Try reading the portion you quoted just one more time for me. Specifically, this part...

     
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    It is, but it's kinda hard to have stats before the year is finished, my bad.
     
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    That's not the best wording, because why does it say 1-2 years more ?
    Shouldn't it say 1-2 years less, if this is coming from critics?
     
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    They could have monthly statistics.
    But maybe there's too much of a time delay to collect the data.
     
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    I mean...what?

    That sentence is telling you that most of the people who die from Covid-19 would have lived for longer than 1-2 years more, but for the fact that they got Covid-19 and died.

    In other words, no, most of the people who die from Covid-19 are not people who were just going to die within the next year or two.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    "Excess deaths" - dubious concept being pimped by COVID hoaxters.
     
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    I don't think you understand.

    That was my point, only 1-2 years more.

    But then you implied that's not what the authors of the article were trying to say, but rather that they were saying that's what the skeptics (whom they do not agree with) were saying.

    Which if that was the case, then the word less should have been used, should it not? I mean, critics would not say a number and then say more than that, would they?
     
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    See, this is the sticking point.

    There is ZERO evidence of even "excess deaths" year over year, and FAR fewer deaths than one would expect with the oldest Boomers turning 75 next year.

    COVID Hoax: Just another Democrat hoax
     
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    More or less. Makes no sense. Complete nonsense.

    It's all about CNN. Complete nonsense/conspiracy theory.
     
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    In regards to the theory around co-morbidities, there is something to the possibility that the individuals who get and die from Covid-19 have co-morbidities in numbers that are substantially different from the averages for those age groups.

    I found a comment from one of the authors who responded to that criticism. He essentially said that you can either approach it one of two ways - refuse to adjust your results because you have no current data to suggest that victims of Covid-19 have co-morbidities that are substantially different from the general population for that age group or calculate the loss of life based on the assumption that those individuals do have 2x or 3x the rate of co-morbidities than the average population for that age group.

    He then linked to another researcher that pursued that secondary path and that researcher went even further to try and address the theory that "years of life" is not really the same thing as "quality years of life."

    So, for example, if you lived for three more years, but you were in a vegetative state or had a severe paralysis for the entirety of that time, you really did not have any more quality years of life.

    His conclusion (and I'll see if I can find the link again), was essentially that if you used the most restrictive definition for quality of life AND you assumed that the victims of Covid-19 had co-morbidities at roughly 3x the rate of the general population, then Covid-19 still deprived an average of three years from the deceased.
     
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    Stop saying I'm calling the virus a hoax.

    Also, stop pushing the COVID Hoax.

    TIA!

    :)
     
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    Your post is completely devoid of anything substantive.
     
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    You just called Covid-19 a hoax. Please stop.
     
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    No, I definitely do not understand your point.

    The conclusion of this report is that the average loss of life for Covid-19 victims is 11-13 years. Thus, these people would - on average - have lived for another 11-13 years, but for the Covid-19.
     
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    Yeah - it's complete garbage in the service of the COVID Hoax.

    Not remotely proof, and how it could be called that is surreal.

    But hoaxters gotta hoax - the Democrats can't win fair & square, so COVID Hoax.
     
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    ^^^ Ironic.
     
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    You just posted a falsehood. Please stop.

    Also, please stop pushing the COVID Hoax.

    Thanks! :)
     
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    Has there been an additional 190,000 deaths from car crashes, heart attacks, diabetic comas etc this year up to date above the average number of expected deaths over the same period from these causes of death?
     
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    If these "only a few months" is actually over 12 months does that become a concern? How about dying from the virus 24 months before the expected date of death?
     
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    Excess deaths - you're either dead or not dead! Zero evidence LOL
     
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    Sticking Point? Hoax????

    171,823 Americans who died officially of COVID-19 until now are a hoax ???

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    As for your sticking point ... it is still often used as a counter-argument that Flu causes more deaths than COVID-19. This is total nonsense as a claim, the official numbers of the CDC are these (you can select the years / flu season there) ...

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

    2018-2019 season = 34,200 dead due to flu
    2017-2018 season = 61,000 dead due to flu
    2016-2017 season = 38,000 dead due to flu
    2015-2016 season = 23,000 dead due to flu
    2014/2015 season = 51,000 dead due to flu

    Sure, the CDC says estimated numbers, but even if you double those numbers each time, which is realistic in terms of the "dark figures" of unknown cases, no flu season has caused as many American deaths as COVID-19!
    And if you are already working with an unreported number / "dark figures", then you have to do the same with the cases of COVID-19 ... which makes the above number of today also somehow higher, regardless of which factor you take, eh?
     
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