40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted If It Weren't for Trump: Report

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  1. MJ Davies

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    40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted If It Weren't for Trump: Report

    The statistics are in. There could have been a better response by the Trump administration. It's too late to go back in time but this should give us reason enough to make changes in how we deal with threats of pandemics.

    Personally, I don't believe the POTUS should be on the frontline in cases like these. We need experienced doctors and specialists (who aren't concerned with being fired) to lead us through this type of crisis.

    What do you think?
     
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    So he didn't galvanize the population to fight the virus? WTF are they talking about then they go on and talk say " climate change, deregulation, soaring health care costs, lack of health insurance, economic inequality and racism." Good god liberal journalism has gone to hell. Let's look at this fact: Fact we are a republic, the President can't enforce a national mask mandate much less lock downs. Guess what, the places that had the harshest shutdown and other mandates mainly had the highest death rates. The scientists predicted 60 million positives and 2 million deaths in America because of our freedoms, we haven't gotten remotely close to that so yes we did pretty good considering our culture. Lastly if Trump would not have implemented Operation Warp Speed where would be be today....I'll tell you we wouldn't have 43 million people that have had the vaccination in the past month and a half and that's bound to start having some major positives effects on this unknown virus.
     
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    FACT: Among 195 countries; ONLY two countries had a Covid19 Summer Wave, U.S. and Peru.

    Thus, a very shameful fact......considering Peru is still a third world country.
     
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    shame on the people of a FREE NATION for making personal decisions. We need the federal govt to dictate to us how we live our lives
     
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    Let me explain why didn't read the posted article. The text you posted talks about 461,000 "unnecessary" deaths and then compares that to "rates" in other countries without comparing apples to apples. How does a total reflect any relation to a rate. To me the source of the "study" was just anti-american. Worth ignoring. I guess freedom isn't as popular as it once was.
     
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    I know that the numbers have been manipulated for the last year. Those numbers were manipulated so that the masses could remain in a state of fear and terror. I know that most all of the conscientious whistleblowers who have spoken out about that manipulation have been maligned and censored by the powers that be and the mainstream media.

    I know that most of the numbers have been generated by a test never intended for diagnostic purposes, a test that delivers high numbers of false positives. I know that anybody discussing that is also quickly maligned by the media and the medical industrial complex gate keepers.

    I know we have been deceived. Any effort to put lipstick on the data pig is wasted energy.
     
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    To be fair government manipulates facts and lies about virtually everything that makes it look bad. Most of us have become used to it.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is a true and accurate statement.

    In the case of this Operation Covid, government response by way of lockdown has caused more harm than the virus itself. That response has been a criminal act, given all the facts.
     
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    What do I think? I think trump was the lowest form of life to ever be on the face of the earth. The guy is a sociopath as well as every other perverted description.
     
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    Quote; ''Lockdowns have caused MORE harm than the virus itself''

    CRITICAL THINKING

    Questions;

    What harm lockdowns have caused?

    VERSUS

    What harm the virus has caused?

    Let's start with; What harm the virus has caused?

    1. Significant loss of human life, current death toll; 488,000 over 12 months, thus, in the U.S., the third leading cause of death.

    2. Covid19 has brought harm, hurt, pain, suffering, distress, anguish, trauma, torment, grief, stress, fear, exhaustion TO;

    a. Number of Covid19 hospitalizations; 840,000 patients, and their family members, thus, approx. 5 million Americans.

    b. Our 5 million front line health-care workers, and their family members, thus, approx. 20 million Americans.

    NOTE: More than 1700 healthcare workers have died of COVID-19

    c. Our most vulnerable, thus, approx;

    i. 60 million Seniors, and
    ii. 40 million adults ages 18-64 at risk due to an underlying medical condition

    YOUR TURN mr. Eleuthera......

    What harm lockdowns have caused?
     
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    Well thank you Mr. Partisanbull,

    The numbers you base your theory on, your opinion on, are manipulated numbers. The PCR tests that are the foundation for many of those numbers were not designed for diagnostic purposes, yet you and the government would have me believe that using a test not designed for diagnostic purposes as a diagnostic tool is somehow credible and logical.

    Sorry Mr. Partisanbull, no can do.
     
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    Currently, the number of Americans dead from the Covid-19 to date is more than 500,000 persons. Still, no investigations. No accountability.

    The Michigan University football stadium seats 100,000 persons. This is how many Americans were murdered by the terrorist organization know as the Republican Party in the last year alone.
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    Trump is the leader of a cult. By dissing masks, constantly downplaying the danger, going out of his way to avoid following guidelines, and pushing crackpot claims, he essentially did to his followers what Jim Jones did. The difference is that when his followers ignored the threat, they mostly killed other people.

    40% will likely be around a quarter million deaths.

    And don't buy into this crap about lock downs. What trump did was dismiss the threat and basic precautions. Lock downs could have been mostly avoided if everyone wore N95 masks. Some experts say this could have been done - over with - at any time, in four weeks. But because of the mentality of trump and his cult, that was completely impossible.

    I've been saying it for six months: Trump is the greatest mass murderer in US history.
     
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    That sounds like the ramblings of a person experiencing a psychotic break with reality. I bet you have never hated any other human being as much as you hate this man you've never met and likely never WILL meet and who has suffered no personal loss because of his actions. Neighbor, THAT is pathological.
     
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    I think the opinion of experts doesn't matter if the people disagree with them. This is a Republic with democratic features, not a technocracy.
     
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    If everyone wore masks like a surgeon maybe. I don't know if you're paying attention to the behaviour of the people around you but how people wear them is completely pointless - constantly touching them, bad seals around the mouth and nose, shirty cloth masks that haven't been washed in a week, etc.
     
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    That 100,000 seat stadium would seat all the dead from covid during China Xoe Xidens ONE MONTH presidency. By the time Harris 25’s Xiden we’re quite sure he’ll be the covid leader. And that’s with the Trump vaccines.
     
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    What a liberal propaganda piece this was. It basically tells us that some countries had less deaths than we did, then goes on to bad bad Trump, Medicare for All, racial inequity, blah, blah.

    Neither do I...now.
     
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    Which specific act killed all those people that Trump and Trump ONLY ordered? Or are you saying Trump should have locked everyone in their homes for 6 months against their will? I’d like to hear what act Trump could have done to save everyone, that wouldn’t have been unconstitutional or considered fascistic and worse?

    Please explain how all those people died in CA who refuse to do anything Trump says?

    GO!!
     
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    I think the title of your post is hyperbolic so I would say the same thing about your source.
     
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    Not my title or article.
     
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    I understand. i criticized the title and the source, not you. You asked for an opinion and I gave it.
     
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    Fair enough. Thanks.
     
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    Support your health experts and scientists and don't be a dick. It wouldn't have saved everyone, but I'm sure it would have made a difference.
     
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    Learn to tell the difference between a scientist and a snake oil salesman. The difference between a scientist and a career bureaucrat with vested interests.

    An interesting video that might help: london Real Transform Yourself Dr - Bing video
     
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