5.7x28mm Pistols

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hi,

    5.7x28mm ammunition is illegal to import into Australia (though the pistols themselves are legal, dont ask), and I've always wondered about how good of a round this is.

    Anyone out there with FN57 experience? Very quick round (2200fps) with minimal recoil and a 20 round magazine inside the grip seems pretty interesting.

    Quick follow up shots should be easy, and with a 20 round magazine you have far more rounds than most other handgun calibres. It's also a lot flatter shooting than other handgun calibres so you could have an advantage at range.

    Could see it being useful for plinking, maybe even a niche case for carry where carry is legal.

    Cheers.
     
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    We recently bought "His and Hers" Kel Tec P50's. Fires 5.7x28. Out of the box it comes with two 50 round magazines. More are readily available. The American SECRET SERVICE just adopted these for duty use. Its an odd design. The magazine lies above and parallel to the barrel. Its a true pain in the butt to load the magazines, but there is an after market loading device that helps.

    We like the round. It's trajectory is as flat as it gets. The round is now classified as NATO standard. Hollow point rounds are available. The P50 comes with a two point sling.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the reply :)

    What's the quickest load you've put through it? Does the recoil stay manageable with the hotter loads? Use any optics? Ever tried varmint hunting with it?

    Apologies for all the questions.
     
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    No problem. We're still setting it up. It comes with tiny iron sights that are surprisingly good. It also has a Picatinny rail on the top. I've mounted a riser on it and will be mounting optics on top of that. I don't do varmint hunting. Its strictly a defensive weapon here. The only rounds I've put through it so far is Federal "American Eagle"... 40 grains.
     
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    I would think it would be a good varmint round, if you can find ammo. Its not what I would want if I was being attacked by a crazy person because it has no stopping power, but you'll be able to put enough holes in something that it'll die eventually. If you want plinking, pick something for which ammo is plentiful.
     
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    FN 5.7 is a great round. I bought a 5.7 pistol over a decade ago and it’s become my most used firearm.

    Yes, it’s a flat shooting round and that’s what makes it great for my use-case and the 20 rd mags are great as well. The ammo is very light also so I can carry quite a bit of various bullet types in my every day carry bag.

    Having various bullet types allows me to use the 5.7 as my primary firearm for predator/varmint control and for euthanizing large animals. I’ve shot about every conceivable class of critter very effectively.

    I shoot nearly 100% suppressed so my 5.7 has a direct thread Gemtech suppressor attached at all times. I carry it in my EDC bag. Here’s a pic from last summer and a thread on the snake.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/why-carry-a-firearm.601482/#post-1073569586

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    The 5.7 pistol for me has nearly the performance of a short barreled AR in 5.56 but in a smaller lighter package with lighter ammo.

    More information. I shoot ss197 for varmints and some small predators. I use FMJ for euthanizing large animals. For defensive purposes and longer range larger animals ss198 lead free is the way to go.

    The only downsides are the original FN triggers aren’t great and the grip size of the 5.7 is a little big for small hands.

    I’ve shot the 5.7 a lot in a lot of various applications. If you have any specific questions ask away. If you get one you won’t be sorry. :)

    Ammo is a pain here. Still very expensive the last few years. I have thousands of rounds I bought years ago for $0.25 a round or less. It’s around $1.00 a round usually now.
     
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    Just like any round shot placement Is key. I’ve taken a whitetail doe and a couple decent sized hogs with the 5.7. I would much prefer the 5.7 to 9mm for self defense especially with 27 gr lead free ammo with the ability to defeat soft armor.
     
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    Whats it got if not lead?
     
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    Brass and aluminum.
     
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    Here'sour new 5.7.. Kel Tec P50
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    557 Well-Known Member

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    Nice. Are you putting red dot optics on them?
     
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    Absolutely. They have attaching points for slings also, and a lower Picatinny rail that accommodates a forward hand grip. Interestingly enough, I learned that here in the USA, you can only put a 45 degree angle foregrip on a pistol. A 90 degree one would be illegal. I have no idea why.
     
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    The average 5.7x28mm ammunition is 27 grains. A .177 pellet air gun grains range from 4.6 to 16.2 grains. This is an example on how small that bullet is. So in my opinion… It’s worthless unless you’re looking for a varmint gun. The wind would push it too easily at long ranges and does carry the mass to do much damage at all.
     
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    This is true and is completely stupid
     
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    The Federal "American Eagle" 5.7 ammo I use is 40 grains. One of the reasons I bought a 5.7 launcher is because the Secret Service uses it. I won't be hunting with it... just practicing and then having it for defense.
     
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    most of the NFA is stupid. do you know why suppressors were put on the NFA List? to placate game wardens and Agricultural inspectors who tired of people poaching during the depression and then seeing local juries acquit the shooters.
     
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    That looks so bad ass it has to be illegal in California.
     
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    I'm sure it is... holds 50 rounds (mounted in a magazine mounted parallel to the barrel.) One of the reasons I left California was to escape their Draconian gun laws. I wanted an AR-15 but their "bullet button" restriction was so ridiculous that I ended up getting an M1A instead. Now I am free of all that silliness.
     
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    @Steady Pie,

    I have purchased a Smith & Wesson M&P 5.7 as a potential replacement for the FN 5.7 I currently use as my primary firearm.

    I wanted the option of a micro red dot optic and my old FN slide is not cut for optics. There is a new FN model that is cut for optics but it’s more than twice the price of the S&W 5.7 and does not have a threaded barrel as the S&W does. Also, the S&W has a delayed blowback two piece rotary barrel that reportedly reduces the recoil of the already mild recoiling 5.7 round.

    So I ordered the S&W and it has arrived at the FFL. Unfortunately I purchased it through a gun shop a couple hours away and I probably won’t have time to go get it for a couple weeks at least. :( I suppose that gives me time to research the best optic option.

    I’ll try and post my thoughts after I get it. Of course it uses proprietary magazines so all my FN mags won’t work. The S&W mags are 22 rounds vs. 20 for the FN though so I guess that’s good. I’ll just have to purchase some more S&W mags if I decide to replace the FN with the S&W for everyday use.

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    I saw a video of a guy the other day using standard 22 long rifle fired from a rifle at about 60 ft put a shot behind the ear of a hog that was at least 100 lb and that hog dropped right there like a sack of potatoes.
     
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    Yep, .22 LR can get the job done. I’ve seen a lot of 1200-1500 lb. cows euthanized with a .22 LR as well. Of course my favorite.22 story is about my dad…

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1073535632/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1070985761/
     
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    I don't want to have to depend on championship marksmanship skills. When bad guys are shooting at you, you are far from relaxed. And you don't have a lot of time to apply the BRASS (breathe, relax, aim, take up the slack and squeeze) principles. You take your best shot as fast as you can before you GET shot.
    In such cases, you want more OOMPH! (technical term). I was in a firefight in Iraq just west of Ba'aquba. We had AK-47's from the Iraqi training base we were all stationed at. We borrowed them go on a convoy. I shot at a bad guy, aimed center mass but apparently only hit him in the hand. He ducked in a doorway and never came back. I'm not sure that a 22 LR would have convinced him to didi mau like the AK round did.
     
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    Def going to get a 5-7 now lol. was on the fence for a while.
     
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    Palmetto State Armory has been having 50 rd boxes of Federal 40 grain FMJ for $30. The price is coming down.

    There is going to be a lot more demand for the round with so many new firearms chambered for it. The PSA Rock, the M&P, the Ruger, and various others like the Keltec above in this thread. Hopefully more manufacturers will start making ammo.

    Let us know what you buy. :)
     
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    Leaning towards this... just too hard to beat the price.

    https://gun.deals/product/psa-57-ro...el-holosun-407k-reflex-sight-black-59999-free
     
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