5 dead, 16 hospitalized in mass shooting at Highland Park 4th of July parade, shooter being sought

There is a difference between "tough" laws and "effective" laws.

You can have very restrictive laws but if they aren't enforced, whether for political reasons or because reaching the required legal threshold for conviction is complicated, they aren't effective laws. Red Flag laws fall into this category because the targeted restrictions are quite severe and the severity of those restrictions requires a high level of judicial scrutiny. If the scrutiny threshold is reduced to make the law more effective then you run the risk of the law being abused.

In this particular case the major failing is that of the kid's father rather than the law. If the father knew that the kid had expressed both suicidal and homicidal ideations then, as a concerned parent, he never should have signed off on the FOID.

 

FWIW, a recent report states that the rifle was an S&W M&P-15. That is a MUCH more likely weapon for him to have been using.

 

• Went to trump rallies
• Draped himself in a Trump flag
• Posed with Trump motorcade
• Calls himself "awoke the rapper" referencing the great awakening movement of Q
• Made a song titled "I am the storm" another reference to Q
• Dad likes a 2A tweet after the Uvalde shooting
• Dad is a MAGA

But other than that the guy is clearly a liberal lol!

 

Could be.

 

Let me check your post.....

 

Looks like there will have to be many retractions in this thread calling him a raging liberal

 

Well, we all know that's not going to happen, past would indicate he's likely to be called a RINO first

 

Hahaha! The phony baloney trying to tie him to Trump is made up. We.all know this guy is a Biden fan.....

 

AJ is still claiming said tattoos are associated with MAGA whether they're from this kid or not. I'm curious what his proof is. But like I said - spoliers.

 

Crimo started using "Awake The Rapper" as early as 2011, well before Q.

https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Awake

The Trump related stuff appears to be trolling. Showing up at a Trump rally dressed as Waldo and playing Superman in a Trump cape while alone in one's apartment are not signs of support. Forr example, there is also a picture of him in an FBI ball cap with a cigarette dangling out of his mouth. That isn't a sign that he supports the FBI. His "music" videos, at least the ones I saw, were not political but, instead, indicative of DEEP psychological impairment.

I understand that a lot of people that hate Trump want to blame this shooting on Trump. They generally want to blame everything that goes wrong in their lives on Trump but that, like trying to portray Crimo as a Trump supporter, isn't rational.

 

Spot on!

Many here are merely trying to wish this shooter into a Trump supporter. Sad and desperate.

 

That's a bad photoshop, "some would say" desperate. BUT, totally expected from Trumpers.

 

That is exactly what I alluded to already. The caliber matches but the audio recording simply doesn't match.

ATF is trying to pull a fast one and doesn't seem to want to name a seller because they would associate a seller who might just spill the beans.

There are plenty of firearms folks who know this is a coverup.

Notice how the original version from the ATF said that they used DNA from the rifle and now they are saying they used the serial number? The ATF agents involved are trying to cover this by backtracking their information which isn't working very well.

 

And in the process avoiding discussion about the tattoos showing Crimo's obsession with the anti-semitic Italian Socialist movement.

 

With all due respect, I think this rabbit you seem to be chasing is likely to turn out to be more of a field mouse.

I have seen nothing that indicates this guy was intellectually capable of ascribing to ANY political theory in a meaningful way.

 

All the photos being circulated are photoshopped.

 

Nahhh, the ones with the killer draped in the Trump flag and at Trump gatherings aren't desperate nor faked.

 

This guy is actually prototypical of someone who can be persuaded to engage in an obsessive act of violence.
There is no doubt about the fact that he was observed visiting synagogues while associating himself with an antisemitic socialist movement.

The 47 stands for the 47th Italian Socialist Party Congress.

 

Dude. The cops responded to a domestic disturbance in april of 19. At that disturbance he was threatening to kill members of his family.
They confiscated weapons from him at that time.
They took no action to further contact him. They could've used several different avenues to keep him in the system. They did not.

Then, as you point out, his father took affirmative action in December of 19 to write that his son was perfectly normal and no issue and so should catch a FOID card.
Not only did he not report him, he directly enabled him.

 

You two esteemed members of the brain trust understand that LEOs can get full auto, and modern full auto at that, for their patrol rifles?

Sure you do.

 

He wasn't charged and convicted, and no one in his family moved to have him committed or got a protection order against him.
That means he wasn't in the NICS system to be balked.

For that **** up you can blame, in this order, 1) the cops who arrived at the scene and didn't arrest him, 2) his family, 3) his father specifically as his closest relative

 

Hence why none of your gun laws in any state can be said to be tough

 

He's been using the name since 2011, and you'll need a bit more than I am the storm which is a fairly common melodramatic statement.

You want me to dig you up like a dozen tough guy facebook post memes from the pre trump era to the effect of "the devil said I couldn't withstand the storm and I replied "i am the storm""?

 

They always used the serial number to identify the owner. They released his name as a person of interest before he was caught from just the serial number of the gun dropped at the scene

 

I took a look at what they were visibly shouldering. What you are talking about would probably be locked in storage or in the arsenal of a local SWAT team. b
However, I would venture that it would be highly unlikely that a weapon like you speak of would be in the trunk of a squad car on that road on the 4th of July.

We are talking about Highland Park and not the war zone 35 miles to the south.