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    LOL at that video.

    None of that is even remotely necessary, when you have real power. Just be more successful, more educated, more confident, and more pragmatic than whites. While whites are wasting their resources on getting grown men into public restrooms with little girls, quietly take over.
     
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    Have you read everything I wrote? I think I wrote clearly for everyone that socialism in the USSR ended after the death of Stalin. Khrushchev stopped the construction of the socialist social and political system, and therefore many economic problems arose in the USSR. Or is it too difficult for you to understand?
    But you write about problems in the USSR in 1991 or in 1975. What did you mean? The construction of a socialist society ceased after 1953. What does 1975, 1980, or 1991 have to do with socialism?
    If you think that the inscription in the name of the country “socialist” means that the country has socialism, then this is not so. The name of Germany in 1939 did not contain the name "Nazi" or "fascist", but in fact Germany was just that. Or another example - the United States. There is no fascist word in the name of your country, but given the number of prisoners in prisons and total control over society, in fact the United States is a typical fascist dictatorship.
    I also wrote to you above - as soon as Kosygin-Liberman reforms were introduced in the USSR and the dictatorship of the proletariat was abolished, the fall of the USSR economy was only a matter of time.
    Now about cars. The Soviet Union under Stalin exported Asoviet cars to the United States. For example, the car "Pobeda". The first one in the photo.
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    Once again, the victory of the communist social and political system is inevitable. This is an objective process of development of society.
    And I do not exclude that the next state, which will be able to rise to a higher level of development of society towards communism, will be the United States.
    Although the United States is likely to fall apart into individual states or groups of states.
    And it is very bad and dangerous for the survival of all mankind. The USA is a nuclear power. And only an idiot can wish for a nuclear power collapse. But the whole point is that objective processes may well lead to such a development of events.
     
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    You write that your perceptions of Stalin and socialism are based on the stories of Solzhenitsyn. But this is ridiculous!
    Solzhenitsyn wrote anti-Soviet fiction. It's about the same as talking about life on Mars or the moon, after reading the novels of Herbert Wells and Jules Verne.
    Want an example? You are welcome.
    In the story "The Gulag Archipilag," Solzhenitsyn writes that 10 million people were at the same time in Kolyma prisons.
    Now turn on the logic.
    I don’t know in the city with how much population you live, I live in a city with a population of just over 1 million people. Can you imagine how many people eat food in one day? And in one month? And in one year? .... Now imagine how much 10 million people should eat food. Can you imagine?
    Now about Kolyma. This is the northern part of Russia. Where the products do not grow.
    But that is not all. At that time, all cargoes were delivered to Kolyma by river transport. But navigation in the Kolyma lasts only three months a year. And further. At that time, only three barges went to Kolyma. (later, when gold mining began, six barges went to Kolyma).
    And now the logic. - How could you feed, clothe, shod, bring equipment and new prisoners (as the liar Solzhenitsyn writes) .... and so on 10 million people? + Security. How could this be done?
    I can endlessly cite the exposure of this false squeal of Solzhenitsyn.
    I wonder why you believe in all the absurdities that write about Stalin and socialism.
    But despite this, the USSR became the second economy in the world. In 1950 went to the pre-war level of production. By the way, Western economists wrote that the USSR, at best, would reach the pre-war level of production only by 1968-1970.
    Your German chauvinism surprises me. You write that the Russians took all the scientific achievements from the Germans (and supplement them, like the Americans)
    The Germans are certainly a talented nation in science. But to say that the Russians took all the achievements from the Germans ..... This is absurdity. Von Braun worked in the USA. Here we can talk about it. But in Russia there was Zeolkovsky, whose works were studied by the Germans, in Russia there was Korolev. This is about space. Nuclear power plants in general were the first to be created by Russians. Maybe the Germans created atomic icebreakers? So no. They were created by Russians. Mobile nuclear power plants were also created by Russians. ... and I can show you a huge list of what the Russians have created. Even the issue of creating a radio is a matter of patent. Marconi was the first to patent the invention, but for the first time created the radio Russian Popov.....And the list goes on and on.
     
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    About the poor Russian village.
    1. Before the Bolsheviks came to power, the Russian village was even poorer.
    2. The most terrible war in the history of mankind has occurred. The USSR was the most affected by this war. Therefore, it is natural that at that time, not only in the village, but also in the city, people lived poorly. Is not it?
    3. Have you seen the sizes of the USSR and Germany on the map? Do you understand that rebuilding a small country is easier than a large country?
    Do you understand that Russia and the USSR went through a lot of wars before 1945? This is 1 World War , This is revolution and civil war, This is the intervention of 18 countries against Soviet Russia, this is the Russian-Polish, three Russian-Finnish wars, three Russian-Japanese wars ..... The devastation after the civil war and intervention. The industry of the Russian Empire was completely destroyed. The USSR created industrialization anew. Do you understand all the difficulties that the past of the USSR has? Therefore, talking about a poor village at that time is pointless.
    But despite all this, the USSR became the second economy of the world.
     
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    As absurd as it was, yes, I read it.

    I had read about Stalin worship, how it was a part of the hard Right in Russian culture.

    But it's such a silly fantasy, I never thought I'd run across someone that thought that way. We got a bunch of Russian emigres over the years, but no one in the Stalin cult would want to come here.

    Anyway, Putin dramatically increased corruption in what was already a pretty corrupt country. The money that should have gone into building the Russian economy is getting pocketed or spent on Putin's ambitions.

    For all it's size and potential, Russia has an economy the size of Italy. Not impressive.

    It's past is also it's future, to be the "Sick Man of Europe".
     
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    Those Italians say that time is the most honest person. So let's see what happens in a few years.
    Regarding the size of the economy, it’s ridiculous to hear this argument from the US representative. Your economy is that of waiters and dog hairdressers.
    Seriously. You look at what the modern US economy consists of. The American economy is, conditionally, Amazon, Facebook and Twitter. (Even the US president reports on his decisions via Twitter.) Facebook shares are valued higher than GAZPROM shares. But Facebook will disappear and nothing will change. Nothing at all. GAZPROM will disappear - and there will be a collapse in world energy.
    The US economy is a soap bubble. (to console you, I can say that the Russian economy is only a miserable semblance of the Soviet economy. Because capitalism.)
    But! If the economic collapse were caused only by an epidemic, it would be of a short-term nature.
    In practice, of course, everything is different - see the picture, which shows the global collapse of capital investment by industry.
    Everything is cut - the development of energy, the production of consumer goods, construction, resource extraction, telecommunications and IT.
    On average, capital investments were reduced by 12%, and this already exceeds the peak reduction during the crash of 2008 (then it amounted to 11.3%).
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    Details here. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-companies-costs-graphic-idUSKBN2480YH
    A few more articles for you.
    "Life expectancy in the US is increasingly lagging behind other industrial countries." According to a study by economists, the country is slowly moving toward disaster: the American middle class is dying quietly, writes German magazine Der Spiegel
    https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/s...chicht-a-4d9bf39d-55bd-4673-91ed-c28ffbec5b15
    Nobel Prize winner in economics, Professor Angus Deaton and American economist Anne Keyes have been conducting joint research for many years. Now they have come to the conclusion that America was gripped by a disease, a symptom, but not the cause of which was the presidency of Donald Trump.
    In their joint book, Death from Hopelessness, researchers note that the US is heading for a disaster that the news media are not paying attention to, because it appears slowly and gradually. It’s not only about economic decline, but, in the most literal sense, about hundreds of thousands of victims among the American population
    https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/s...chicht-a-4d9bf39d-55bd-4673-91ed-c28ffbec5b15
    What is the essence of this disaster? It lies in the fact that the transfer of production to Southeast Asia, beneficial for transnational corporations, actually killed the most active part of the American population. Not immediately killed, of course, but slowly, by depriving the prospects of the future.
    Pay attention to the date of the study. 1999 is the same year that NATO bombed Yugoslavia, and Fukuyama smiled happily, believing that his prediction about the "end of history" came true. The Chinese worked for a bowl of rice, Russia teetered on the brink of collapse, and the United States seemed the only and indestructible superpower that lived richly like never before.
    In the end, it turned out that they ate their own future in three throats.
    “The increase in mortality in the USA is connected with the“ opioid crisis, ”but it is not fully explained by it: without a weakening white middle class in America, the drug crisis would not have been so widespread. “Despair is spreading in society. This made it possible to market the pharmaceutical industry, which is not well regulated, ”explains Nobel laureate Angus DITON.
    According to researchers, the source of this disaster was “tectonic shifts” in the US labor market. If previously employed people without higher education could receive decent income, now it is increasingly facing difficulties. In view of inflation, the wages of the poorest part of the American population have not increased for half a century. White men without higher education from 1979 to 2017 even lost 13% of their purchasing power, the publication emphasizes. ”
    And again pay attention to the date. Stagnation of salaries in the United States has begun in 1979. If the USSR lasted a little longer, the economic collapse in the United States would have occurred at the end of the last century. The collapse of the USSR gave a chance to delay the end of US prosperity. And the United States has been living for another three decades. But now this is coming to an end. Blowing a bubble based on dollar emissions cannot last forever.
    Robbing other countries, dropping dollar inflation on them, global financiers at the same time squeezed the American "middle class". So arranged parasites - they can never get enough, by definition.
     
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    No, because empire.

    Much of that criticism of America, in your post, was true.

    But the underlying cause, in both countries, is empire. Empires always fall.

    Just occurred to me, if we can't manage China, they will want to expand. They're already expanding into Siberia, but I suspect you know they will want more.
     
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    China does not want to expand to Siberia. They cannot survive there. The Chinese hardly live in the far east of Russia. But I read in the Chinese media (People's Daily) that they want to expand in Asia. And the Chinese have problems with India, Pakistan and Japan. Therefore, in the next 100 years, the Chinese will seek an alliance with Moscow.
    My opinion - the worst that can happen (and there are reasons for this), this is the collapse of the United States.
    1. As I wrote above, the United States is a nuclear superpower, the collapse of which can lead to dire consequences.
    2. The dollar is currently the main world currency. The loss of the dollar will create an economic collapse in global trade immediately. (neither the euro, nor the yen, nor the yuan will be able to replace the dollar. And in the event of a collapse of the dollar, all these currencies will instantly turn into a pumpkin)
    3. Paper gold, that gold which is traded in the form of paper obligations is an illusion. Physical gold is very limited and (in my opinion) cannot completely replace the lack of an international payment unit.
    4. The USA is the largest consumer of world goods production. It doesn’t matter that the USA consumes these goods on credit. The bottom line is that if the US falls apart, demand will drop sharply. Consequently, world production will also decline significantly. And consequently, this will cause world impoverishment of the population of the countries of the world. And this global impoverishment will lead to riots, then to regional conflicts, then to a new world war. The main reason is to distract the world's population from the class struggle.....and so on
    And the main reason. This is imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism. If you want, you can read this work of Lenin. Be aware of what is happening and what to expect. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/
     
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    They are already expanding into Siberia...
     
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    It seems so to you. The reality is somewhat different.
    Following your “logic” - there are a lot of Chinatowns in the USA, does this mean that China wants to take over the USA?
    There are very few Chinese in Russia. Despite the fact that China is nearby.
     
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    It was the same in Germany. My Grandparents were poor peasants with eight and ten children respectively. It was the same all over Europe. The rich exploited the poor.
    This story from my brother took place in the middle of the war. Back home in Germany the Western allies were busy bombing the German cities to smithereens. But Germany had had already 10 years of National Socialism under Hitler and was in a much better condition than Russia. Stalin didn't give a fart about the Russian people nor his soldiers, he had plenty in his vast country to feed into the war. Why would thousands of Russian troops want to stay with the Germans and offered to rather fight against Stalin? In contrast, Hitler's concern was to better the common workers' lot, to make the rich pay and treat their workers properly. Why did Hitler build fantastic housing subdivisions for the workers? And why did he have Porsche design an affordable, efficient car for the ordinary workers? All, because he cared for his "Volk"!!
    I know, Russia is the largest country in the world. But your country was never destroyed to the degree Germany was! There is no comparison! Besides, Germany was fighting on two fronts against England, the world's empire at the time. Plus the Americans joined England and together they pretty much finished us off by mainly devastating air attacks.
    Russia, at the same time, received massive war material and food items from the West via the "Merchant Marines", to help Stalin beat the hated Germans to pulp!!
    No, I'm not familiar with all those wars you had to fight. Who started all the wars? Wasn't it Russia? If your country was so weak and poor, why did it engage in the Second World War? As you know, Hitler wasn't going to fight, but when he saw Stalin amassing great war material near the border, he knew what Stalin had in mind and tried to beat him first. The Germans with their "Blitzkrieg" tactic got as far as Istra, a town 40 km west of Moscow at the end of November 1941, before they had to turn back. It was in Istra where my eldest brother got killed by shrapnel and bled to death.
    The infrastructure in Russia was still from medieval times and the Germans had a very hard time to move forward. Of course, the distances between cities in Russia were much longer than in compacted Germany.
    On that I congratulate you! If I was a couple of decades younger, I might feel tempted to visit your country, especially Istra and Moscow. And I would give Putin a hug!
     
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    You are very susceptible to Western propaganda against Stalin. This can be seen from your comment.
    (For the sake of justice, we must add that now in Russia also there is a frenzied propaganda against socialism and Stalin.)
    I will try to answer your comment on the points.
    1. Everything is clear about poverty in the countryside and I agree with you that at that time poverty was everywhere. There is nothing to add.
    2. I agree that before the Second World War, Germany was in a better economic position than Russia. I wrote to you about the objective reasons for this gap. Since the First World War, Russia and later the USSR went through many wars and complete devastation. Such as the civil war that took place throughout the USSR and the war against the intervention of 18 countries that attacked the USSR. The US and Japan (Kamchatka and the Far East) and Britain (Arkhangelsk region. Incidentally, the British built the first concentration camps for the destruction of Russian in Arkhangelsk) and France (Crimea) ... etc. All this was at the same time. As well as other wars, about which I wrote to you in the past comments.
    But despite this, Stalin managed to carry out Industrialization, organize collective farms (in reality, unlike anti-Stalinist propaganda, peasants entered the collective farms voluntarily. Some peasants entered the collective farm several times, or left their collective farm.) The collective farms allowed mechanizing rural labor and increase the harvest several times. Under Stalin, the standard of living of the population also increased several times.
    Incidentally, your message that Volkswagen was exclusively concern for the population is absurd. In this case, we must admit that Ford released his car taking care only of the population.
    3. Russia paid for all materials from the USA and Britain. Nothing was given to Russia free. Unlike Germany, which gained the weight of the industrial and raw materials potential of all of Europe for free.
    In addition, Lend-Lease assistance for the USSR did not exceed 4% of the military potential of the USSR. 4% is certainly a significant help, but it was not decisive.
    Well, we can remember how the United States helped Nazi Germany. For example, Standard Oil delivered petroleum products to Germany through ports in Spain. There were cases when a ship, under a neutral flag, transported oil Standard Oil to a Spanish port and German submarines were loaded directly from that ship in that port. Then the submarines of Admiral Doenitz went to the Atlantic and blew up American ships.
    We can recall how Ford provided a repair base for the German army in Africa and in France. Intel and their radio parts for the German army can also remember....And we can also remember the Marshall plan for post-war Germany.
    And further. Do you know that it was Stalin who saved Germany? Churchill and Roosevelt insisted on the complete destruction of Germany as a state. They proposed to divide Germany into several small states. And no state could have the name "Germany". But only Stalin’s firm position prevented these plans. It was at a conference in Yalta in 1945. You can read the documents on this conference. They are in the public domain.
    Stalin said - "We are not fighting against the German people, we are fighting against fascism, and the German people is the first victim of fascism."
    4. The Germans were 40 kilometers from Moscow. So what? Napoleon generally occupied Moscow. But what is the outcome of the war? The Russians occupied Berlin and Napoleonic Paris.
     
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    Anyone who disputes the crimes of Stalin and communism and speaks only of evil western propaganda ... is as blinded and ignorant as these neo-Nazis who deny the German crimes of the Nazi.
    Yes, Stalin defeated the bastard Hitler, but that's the only thing that's good about the bastard Stalin.
    All this ridiculous way of saying that Stalin was a good person and all is just Western propaganda ... they are as disgusting as this pseudo-Nazi evidence that no one was gassed at Auschwitz.
    Therefore I do not want to go on with your lies about hymns of praise for Stalin and these idiotic claims because of the French who had set up concentration camps in Crimea etc. and also the fact that industrialization of Russia resulted in the deaths of millions of forced laborers. Because you will deny that anyway and call everything just Western propaganda, or come up with some pseudo nonsense. In short, that would be a waste of time ...

    But since you love to beat the bad USA in terms of Hitler's support ... whereby the USA did really some dodgy things ... I would like to remind you of the German-Soviet trade and economy agreements of August 19, 1939, 11. February 1940 and January 10, 1941 ?

    WARNING: Do not even dream of denying these contracts ... they were and are not contested by anyone in Russia, not even by the most ardent supporters of Stalin and Stalin himself. So if you deny this and the following, you will piss on your own leg of sources you name all the time etc.

    Without these treaties, Germany would not have been able to launch the blitzkrieg in the West and conquer France, Belgium and the Netherlands, as well as put Britain on the brink of defeat ... and last but not least, conquer the Balkans!

    As part of these contracts, the following goods were delivered to Nazi Germany by the USSR within 18 months (until Hitler attacked the USSR):

    1,200,000 tons of wheat and other cereals
    1,300,000 t mineral oil
    250,000 tons of fruit and vegetables and other agricultural products
    100,000 tons of cotton
    500,000 tons of meat and poultry
    500,000 tons of phosphate
    100,000 tons of chrome
    500,000 tons of iron ore
    300,000 tons of scrap metal
    2,400 kg platinum, manganese ore, metals etc.

    And as I said ... don't even dream of denying that!

    So before you abuse the US ... not wrongly ... you have to accept your own bad things first ... but I know you have a huge problem with that!
     
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    Your missing the point here. 57% of the voters are in favor of the George Floyd Protests, but that says nothing about the resulting riots, autonomous zones, and calls to defund the police are falling well short of the mark with voters. A recent ABC poll, showed that 64% of voters expressed their opposition of calls to defund the police. Biden has said that he is against defunding the police, but his statement was weak and he has continued to meet with organizations that tout defunding. This could cost him the elections.

    The end result is that the public supports Constitutionally backed protests, they do not support the riots, calls to defund the police or autonomous zones.
     
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    Your ignorance of the relationship between pre-war Germany and the USSR is simply amazing.
    It is amazing why you did not mention the flight school in Lipetsk and the tank school in Kazan. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    You practically quote the ridiculous book "The Fascist Sword Forged in the USSR"
    Before invoking ridiculous fabrications, you first look at historical facts.
    In general, there is an anti-Stalinist myth that the USSR trained personnel for the Wehrmacht in the 30s. And thanks to the USSR, Germany attacked Europe.
    It was the Russians in Lipetsk who trained the Nazi aces, who then bombed Russian cities and shot down Russian pilots.
    It was the Russians themselves who created the German tank power in the Kazan Tank School, and then the graduates of this school tore the Russian defenses with armored wedges in the 41st, ironed trenches the Red Army with caterpillars.
    But these fabrications are nothing, compared with the assertion that the USSR economically ensured the revival of the military power of Germany. And what is there to answer? After all, did they supply raw materials? Supply .
    What did Stalin think about? Unclear. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    And now the reality.
    Aviation School in Lipetsk. Created by the Germans and German money, at that time considerable, something about 2 million gold rubles. All the planes brought in - they were purchased by German intermediaries in the Netherlands, supposedly for Argentina, but ended up in Lipetsk. German cadets traveled to Lipetsk under the guise of tourists or employees of private companies, under false names. In 1925–33, they graduated from the school - under the guidance of German instructors, pilots of the First World War - 360 pilots. Of these, 140 are Soviet. And another 45 Soviet aircraft mechanics.
    That is, the Germans were preparing Germans for German money ... and Russian. And when, after Hitler came to power, the school was turned off, then all the equipment left for Russian for free.
    Tank school in Kazan. Same. The German staff in the former barracks of the 5th Kargopol dragoon regiment was as follows: head, deputy, engineer, production manager, doctor, master, warehouse manager, 3 teachers (artillery and machine guns, radio), 5 instructors for riding instruction. All Germans. And all expenses are again German.
    The school prepared for the Reichswehr only 30 tank crews and another 65 command personnel for the tank units of the Red Army.
    That’s all that the Germans were “forged” in the USSR - two hundred pilots, three dozen tankmen.
    In those same years, 2000 military pilots graduated from illegal flight schools in Germany itself. Germany successfully circumvented the ban imposed by the Treaty of Versailles on modern weapons. There were enough teachers in Germany - by the end of World War I, Germany already had more than 2,700 combat aircraft (Russia had several hundred). And Germany also had 70 tanks. In Russia, its first tank appeared only in 1920. This is Comrade Stalin, knowing about the inevitable war as he prepared his cadre for a new, technically complex, world war. And for this, all mankind should thank Stalin.
    So, Germany, violating its international obligations, secretly, at its own expense, created military training centers in Soviet Russia. The USSR did not violate the Treaty of Versailles, because The USSR it was not signed. Just enjoyed the German experience and knowledge. I emphasize - for free. Which is always nice.
    Acquisitions of the USSR from military-technical cooperation with Germany are much more serious. In 1932, a third of German engineering products went to the USSR. The USSR took loans from the Germans, bought German cars and machine tools for Russian factories, and paid with raw materials. As a result, the USSR had the most modern industry, and it was during the war that it allowed forging the sword with which Germany was defeated.
    The last such loan of 200 million marks (despite the fact that all the gold and foreign exchange reserves of Germany amounted to 500 million), the Russians took before signing the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement in 1939. For Russian, non-aggression treaty was politically needed no less than by the Germans, but Moscow calmly beat Berlin economically, setting this loan as a condition for signing it. And again, the Russians bought the latest dual-use equipment ...
    By the way, I watched what kind of raw materials went to Germany under Hitler. There are things directly taken from the trade of the ancient Slavs: fluff and feather, fish bubble, stubble, furs, aspen tree - for the production of matches .... But seriously - grain. Livestock grain! But quite seriously - iron ore. But low enriched! So unsuitable for metallurgy, which later caused a great diplomatic scandal between Berlin and Moscow. (Stalin personally met with a representative of the German "Ministry of Industry", raising this unpleasant question)....
    In general .... read historical materials. (If you want, I can give you a link to one site that publishes documents where the "secret" stamp is removed. The only limitation is the site in Russian. But you can always use a translator.)
     
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    To be continued .....

    What you prefer not to talk about.
    "Munich Treaty" for the division of Czechoslovakia. The act is much more cynical than the notorious Molotov-Ribbentrop. By the way, in addition to Germany, Poland also participated in the division of Czechoslovakia on the rights of scavengers (Poland seized the Cieszyn region in the north) and Hungary (several cities in the south).
    Immediately after Munich, on September 30, Chamberlain and Hitler signed the Anglo-German Declaration of Peace.
    A little later - on December 6, 1938 - a similar Franco-German declaration was signed.
    So what do we see? Before the ink was dry in Munich, France and England immediately signed non-aggression pacts with the Third Reich. What, then, is the shame of Russian non-aggression pact with the Germans of August 23, 1939?
    The USSR concluded with Germany exactly the same non-aggression pact, but did it last: I repeat - on August 23, 1939, in Moscow.
    In general, if you see the whole picture as a whole, the sinister USSR, the bastion of aggression, disappears somewhere. One of the countries appears, which, just like the others, takes care of its security.
    The USSR wanted to turn Hitler’s aggression to the west, to France and England? Wanted to.
    What did France and England want? Why groveling and fawning before Hitler in Munich? They wanted to set off Hitler on the USSR. Why are they better? The better the "tyrant Stalin" "democrats Daladier and Chamberlain"? Stalin outplayed them, but this is a completely different conversation.
    What did the Nonaggression Treaty with Germany of 08.23.1939 give to the Russians?
    Let's discuss this, distracted from the personality of Mr. Dzhugashvili and our personal political likes and dislikes. So.
    Firstly, the USSR received a half year respite. A year and a half of peaceful construction is always a lot. Especially when the world war is already blazing. Every year, almost a month, the readiness of the USSR for war grew. Pulling time was necessary! It is necessary to regret not the signing of the Treaty, but that it was not possible to delay the entry into the war of the year until 1942 or 1943.
    Secondly, Moscow managed to replay the future "valiant allies." Everyone wanted Hitler to be friends with them, and to fight with others. Stalin was luckier and more cunning than Chamberlain and Daladier.
    By the way, another myth is about Czechoslovakia. A kind of defenseless teenage girl, torn to pieces by a German cannibal. In fact, in terms of economic potential in 1938, it was the fifth power in Europe - more powerful than Spain or Sweden.
    It used a 100% economic boom of the 1920s and early 1930s, the crisis slipped through, and historically had a powerful military industry. Moreover, the authorities of the country showed, from our Russian point of view, simply inexplicable cowardice.
    How could Czechoslovak politicians endure the monstrous humiliation of Munich? I can not imagine. President Benes, who then arrived at the “European Summit”, was met at the airport ... by the Gestapo. Then he sat for four hours in Hitler’s waiting room in a chair - like a naughty schoolboy, and not like the head of state. Waited for him to be announced the fate of his country
    Germany’s attack on the USSR was called treacherous, as a continuation of a long game of beautiful words with a likely adversary. The friendship treaty in September 1939 is only a tribute to the cynicism of real politics. With the same success, for the sake of time for the deployment of the army, could be possible to sign an agreement "on eternal love". True, such a formulation does not occur in diplomatic practice.
    By the way, Stalin had the same reasons not to trust Churchill, also as and leader of Nazi Germany.
    And by the way, about the "tyrant of Stalin." Show me the documents where Stalin is a greater tyrant than any politician in the world at that time.
     
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    I really hope that in the USA the mind will triumph and the USA will not fall apart into separate states or groups of states.
    Although I must admit that my hopes are melting every day. But I sincerely wish peace and tranquility for the United States. And this is a sincere desire. No one in their right mind would desire the collapse of a nuclear power.
    I do not care about the screams of crazy people about repentance about during slavery.
    In fact, the main culprits of slavery are blacks. It was the Negroes who caught other Negroes and made them slaves. Which was sold to white. Whites are secondary in this matter.
    But what bothers me in the first place is the state of the American economy. If out of 160 million able-bodied people, almost 40 million unemployed, this is a real threat of anarchy and the collapse of the country.
    The cries of repentance to the blacks are a way to replace the class struggle of the proletariat with the exploiters, to translate into racial confrontation. All this only and exclusively for the sake of maintaining the power of the exploiters.
     
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    George Floyd has largely been used and then abandoned for a larger cause. Stick it to Whitey.
    It’s pay back time.

    But George Floyd was a career criminal and sometimes extremely violent so BLM probably doesn’t want people to think too much about him.

    Given affirmative action, minority set asides in government contracts, grade inflation, the election of an African American which would not have been possible without white support in the US, the encouragement of jury nullification for African American defendants, and the exoneration of OJ Simpson in the murder of two white people (just a partial list of preferential treatment to African Americans) it is getting harder and harder for angry African Americans to make a claim of victimhood.

    Victimhood sells. That’s where the money’s at. That’s why BLM so jealously guards Black victimhood to the exclusion of other groups. You can only slice the pie into so many pieces.

    I wonder how long it will be before people take full advantage of the special privileges they’ve been given and realize that’s where the real money is instead of waiting for reparations.
     
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    Yeah it's crazy, all the emails I receive from companies in the US have cute little banners that say "We support Black lives matter" like the blood the Israelites put on their doors to allow the Angel of death to pass them by in Egypt... or wearing a cross to protect them, their little banners serve as protection from the wrath of the looney left... and they think they are not religious
     
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    All those who, instead of the class struggle against the exploiters, run the streets and squeal about the BLM - idiots.
    And blacks, for the fact that their ancestors were slaves, first of all must beat themselves. Because in Africa, blacks directly caught other blacks and made them slaves. Which were then sold to white. Whites only bought ready-made slaves.
     
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    Don't you like Americans? Are you a communist?
     
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    I like the way you express yourself.
     
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    I love Americans. And yes, I support the communists.. Since you have a low level of education, I will tell you that the communists stand for the equality of all people. And the communists make no difference between people. Read Lenin and Stalin and you will increase your intelligence level. At least you will know who the communists are.
     
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    China calls itself a communist country. Their treatment of the Uighers doesn’t seem all that equality driven.
     
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    When all else fails, the personal insults appear.
     

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